Monday, December 21, 2015
Third LDS Mission in the DR Congo to be Organized in July 2016
Missionaries serving in the DR Congo report that the Church will organize the Democratic Republic of the Congo Mbuji-Mayi Mission in July 2016 - the third mission to operate in the DR Congo. The new mission will be created from a division of the Democratic Republic of the Congo Kinshasa and the Democratic Republic of the Congo Lubumbashi Missions. Some of the most rapid growth in the international church during the past decade has occurred in the central DR Congo. The Church reported only one district in the region in 2005, whereas the Church currently reports three stakes and two districts in the region.
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Just looking at a map of the Church units in the DR Congo I expected this. There are stakes and districts in both missions fairly close to the border of the two missions that are closer to each other than to either mission headquarters.
I think this article explains why Mormons are not heavily moving to urban cores. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425582/rahm-emanuel-chicago-fiscal-crisis
People who are new college graduates move there, but once they have children they tend to move to places with workable schools. It is telling that about the only young couple in the Palmer Park Ward, the one in my stake that includes the largest chunk of Detroit, do not have any children yet.
On the other hand not everywhere are Mormons leaving urban cores. In Seattle area the 3 Seattle stakes have added 2 branches and 2 wards over the last four years, while most other stakes in the region have remained with the same number of units.
I will assume that this new mission will take Burundi as well. This way, the Kinshasa mission can be focused on the western part of the country, while Lubumbashi takes the southern part. The Mbuji-Mayi would take the interior regions and the north and eastern extremes.
Also, it looks like Taiwan had a good year with 4 new stakes!
We recently discussed the general non-success in baptizing and retaining Arab-Americans in the Church, although I have lots of individual counter examples.
I would go so far as to say the Church in general has not had success in converting the so-called white ethnics. When I was an early teenager our elders quarum president was a man of long-standing US heritage, a convert of mixed southern-US and German ancestry, not enough German to be a white ethnic. His wife though was Italian and Polish, enough Italian at least to retain ethnic markings. We later had the Carluccio family, where the husband probably counted as an ethnic-Italian convert, but his wife's was of mainly Scottish descent. Later we had a member of the high council whose parents had come to the US illegally from Italy and who had been part of the Mafia before joining the Church.
The Church used to have a Polish-speaking branch in Chicago until maybe 10 or a little fewer years ago. One member of my ward spoke this Sunday about having Ukrainian food at his grandparents at Christmas time, but he mentioned he no longer has Ukrainian food. Another member of our ward is so ethnically French-Canadian that he did not know English until he was about 5. On the other hand while a teenager he went by his step-father's last name, Chalariotes, which is Greek.
Against the huger numbers of people of Italian and Polish descent who live in my wards boundaries, our membership is out of sink. We have more active members of Mexican descent than Italian descent for example, even though it is very much the other way in the overall population. Of course of our Mexican members about half of them joined the Church in Mexico. Another joined the Church in West Virginia and another two are Mexican descended men who either were raised in or joined the Church in Flint, although neither looks in the slightest way Mexican although both have Mexican mothers of full Mexican ancestry.
The closest thing to an active member of Italian descent I can think of right now is the guy who is staying right across the street from me, and he is only here on a short work assignment. We are probably the only active members in the ward who live directly across the street from each other. We have well over 200,000 residents in our ward boundaries.
Actually this last Sunday we had 7 people of at least partial African-American descent at Church, much higher than as far as I can tell the none of Italian descent. This is totally not in line with the actual population in our ward area.
In high school I had classmates with names like Salvatore and Michale and boys named Carmen. I did not have classmates name Daveon and Darius and Tyrone. There was 1 African-American in my graduating class. The population has changed some since then, but not to the point where African-Americans outnumber Italians. It probably would be fairer to but 6 African-Americans at my ward, since I counted the 2-year-old child of a white couple who adopted him, who is biologically the child of a mother adopted from Romania and a father who was half-white and half-black.
If we just counted biological ancestry we could get an Arab, since one child in our ward who was adopted by a white family has a biological father who was Arabic. Our lone active Chaldean member just moved to Los Angeles.
Thinking about the new stakes in Taiwan, it makes prospects more favorable for a second temple in there, probably in Taichung
TAIPEI - 8 stakes
Hsin Chu Taiwan Stake
Hualien Taiwan Stake
Taipei Taiwan Central Stake
Taipei Taiwan East Stake
Taipei Taiwan North Stake
Taipei Taiwan South Stake
Taipei Taiwan West Stake
Tao Yuan Taiwan Stake
TAICHUNG - 8 stakes, 1 district
Chia Yi Taiwan District
Chung Hsing Taiwan Stake
Kaohsiung Taiwan North Stake
Kaohsiung Taiwan West Stake
Pingtung Taiwan Stake
Taichung Taiwan East Stake
Taichung Taiwan South Stake
Taichung Taiwan West Stake
Tainan Taiwan Stake
Is Taiwan big enough for TWO temples? What state is it comparable in size to? Bigger than Nes as Jersey? Maybe it has as many people as Florida but it is not that big, right? Or as many active members...
Taiwan looks to be a bit larger than New Hampshire, but according to Google Maps, it is a 2 hour drive from Taichung to Taipei.
Almost 4 hours from Kaohsiung to Taipei.
Travel time from Kaohsiung to Taipei is equivalent to New York to Boston.
Taichung to Taipei is equivalent to Hartford to Boston.
Well since Provo is about to get 2 temples we can safely assume anything bigger than Provo can have 2 temples as well.
The question is building another temple in Taiwan justified based on use, membership growth, potential to increase temple use and other factors. 16 stakes may be when that might be the case, considering that some temples are built in places with fewer.
However from a stake to temple size ratio standpoint there are places that are higher on the list. Wellington, New Zealand and Pocotello, Idaho I think would both make it higher on the list. Columbus Ohio is at 16 stakes in its temple district, but a temple in Pittsburgh or Cleveland could easily draw from stakes beyond the temple district. Taiwan it pretty much is just the island.
The one possible issue we have not discussed is the temple use options of members in China. Does any one have a clue what the policies regarding Chinese members in China going to the Hong Kong Temple are? My guess is Chinese members in China can not go to Taiwan, but I am wondering if expatriate members would have the option of going to Taiwan from some parts of China.
Interestingly ldschurchtemples.com lists all 16 stakes and one district in Taiwan if you click on the Taiwan Temple list. However in the general list of how many stakes and districts are in each temple district, the list for Taiwan only shows 14.
I just realized that was because I was looking at an old general list, going back to it and had not updated my browser.
The Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple has 32 stakes and 13 districts assigned to it. The Aba Nigeria Temple has 33 stakes and 19 districts, and at 11,500 square feet is only a little larger than Taipei's 9,000 some odd square feet.
Another measure is how often they have sessions. Both have 5 sessions a day from Tuesday to Friday and Taipei may have more on Saturday. Aba will do special sessions if groups bring their own temple workers.
I really would put Benin City as the likely next temple to be announced in Nigeria. It is my new number one guess now that Abijan, Ivory Coast has been announced.
When the Nigeria temple first reopened after it was closed due to the withdrawal of foriegn missionary couple temple workers it was open by appointment only. They have made lots of progress.
There were two arrests Monday night when some people broke in to the Paris Temple construction site. One owned a nearby van that had stolen materials in it (tiles, hardware), possibly from the temple. The second was one of the security guards. A third suspect is still at large.
http://www.leparisien.fr/yvelines-78/le-chesnay-le-vigile-suspecte-de-voler-sur-le-chantier-du-temple-mormon-22-12-2015-5394197.php
Mainland Chinese members attend the temple in Hong Kong. There's actually enough that sometimes it's difficult for members from other countries in the district to book the patron housing (thus the great benefit the Bangkok temple will bring).
I can't see any reason that the mainland Chinese members would go to Taiwan over Hong Kong.
Well some parts of China it would be some means of travel in theory take less time to get to Taiwan. I am not sure if this is ever realistically the case, but in some places it might be in theory.
Two temples in Taiwan would be fantastic, an island the size of New Hampshire which I guess is bigger, or perhaps longer from north to south than New Jersey. A lot more people and members than both.
I guess mainland Chinese might have business or family or just vacations in Taiwan, which is cool to think that they would go to the temple. China must have thousands and thousands of baptized members who have joined in all points of the globe. I have friend from Washington who had one of his best baptisms in Oslo Norway of a Chinese national. I think many Chinese nationals get baptized in the US especially while studying at our universities.
I taught a Chinese guy in Concepcion Chile, married to a nice LDS sister, but not much progress with him back in 1990. I wonder if they had kids and how they are doing now.
Two temples in Taiwan would be fantastic, an island the size of New Hampshire which I guess is bigger, or perhaps longer from north to south than New Jersey. A lot more people and members than both.
I guess mainland Chinese might have business or family or just vacations in Taiwan, which is cool to think that they would go to the temple. China must have thousands and thousands of baptized members who have joined in all points of the globe. I have friend from Washington who had one of his best baptisms in Oslo Norway of a Chinese national. I think many Chinese nationals get baptized in the US especially while studying at our universities.
I taught a Chinese guy in Concepcion Chile, married to a nice LDS sister, but not much progress with him back in 1990. I wonder if they had kids and how they are doing now.
South Jordan, Utah, smaller than Provo, has had two temples for some time now.
I suspect there is very little travel between mainland China and Taiwan. Hong Kong is different--it is an autonomous region of China. Taiwan, officially, is a renegade province. The governments of both China and Taiwan claim to be the legitimate government of all of China.
South Jordan and Provo are special cases where the nearby members were so faithful in temple attendance that the Jordan River and Provo Temples were the #1 and #2 busiest temples in the world by a very long shot, to the point that their temple districts got/are getting split into 3 because the original temples would have still been over capacity with just one split. Taiwan doesn't have this problem. Since Kaohsiung is apparently about 220 miles away from Taipei (putting outside of the 200 mi. line Pres. Monson mentioned once), another Taiwan temple is possible. However, as mentioned previously, Taichung is where the stakes are centered best, and by the numbers the driving distance is almost identical to the distance from Hartford, CT to Boston, MA. Last I checked, Boston was running hourly endowments, indicating that for a temple its size it's fairly busy, and the Taipei temple doesn't seem to have that problem yet, either. Considering all of that, I don't think a 2nd Taiwan temple is likely until the temple gets busier.
200 miles from a temple is a useful measure along the "Mormon Corridor," but is a lot less useful in areas of high traffic densities, areas were a lot of people commute using mass transit, or in rural areas with windy roads.
In Utah, you can drive 200 miles in 2.5 to 3.5 hours, but in other places, like the DC area, it may take 2.5 to 3.5 hours to drive less than 100 miles.
In Utah, we have mass transit too, and a reasonably good system. Bus and train access to temples is as follows:
Logan: Yes.
Ogden: Yes, trainm multiple routes.
Bountiful: No, bus route ends some distance away, difficult winter conditions.
Salt Lake: Yes, TRAX, Frontrunner, many buses.
Jordan River: Yes.
Draper: No. Bus route ends some distance away but a route could run close by if created.
Oquirrh Mountain: Yes, but it looks like more than half a mile away.
Mt. Timp: No. Not presently. But did have routes off and on.
Provo: Yes, but very spotty service, no Saturday service.
Provo City Center: Yes, multiple routes, near Frontrunner.
Payson: Yes, temple is 1/2 mile away or more.
Unfortunately, I have had very bitter discussions about the Provo Temple not being serviced anymore after 29 years on a consistent at least hourly basis with UTA planners, they simply don't see the importance given the large numbers of members who attend and serve there.
Same could be said about all the rest. Bountiful is not likely to get a bus due to serious winter problems. It was during the dedication period they had a storm that iced up the roads and at the last session, it was midnight before they got everyone off the hill as the roads are steeper than most there.
Mike Johnson, you're right that 200 miles means different things for different commuters. However, that wasn't my point. In fact, the so-called Mormon corridor is the place where the 200 miles statistic is useless, as distance hasn't been the one deciding factor in the placement of Mountain West temples since Monticello. The United States, particularly the Mountain West, is sufficiently saturated with temples that new temples can be built with a focus on member usage. That applies both to temples that are over capacity (e.g., Provo City Center, Oquirrh Mountain/Draper, and a possible Lehi temple) and to temples where stakes that have a bit of a commute are being really faithful in their temple attendance (e.g., Indianapolis, Philadelphia).
The "200 miles" number comes from Pres. Monson's Sunday morning address in the April 2011 general conference, where he said that "eighty-five percent of the membership of the Church now live within 200 miles (320 km) of a temple." While this is clearly an arbitrary statistic, one of many he lists about bringing temples to the saints, it's an indication of where the General Authorities are looking when considering a new temple based mainly on distance concerns. There are some areas (e.g., Thailand, India, Mongolia, Kinshasaa, Kenya/East Africa) that are clearly so far from their nearest temple that the Saints in the area need Church subsidies to get there just once to do their own ordinances, so distance concerns are obvious when we make predictions. However, many areas are far enough away from the current temple to consider for distance but close enough that the temple is within reach for regular attendance. The 200 miles cutoff, arbitrary as it is, is something I find useful in predicting whether I should treat a potential temple site more like Bangkok (far enough away that distance would merit a temple if there are enough stakes) or more like Indianapolis (not likely to get a temple until the current one is busy and/or they prove that they will use a new temple by doing a huge chunk of the work). Right now, Taiwan has mass transit, a wealthy economy, relatively small distance from most stakes to the temple (compared to Ulaanbaatar or Singapore, Taichung's distance to its temple is really small), and a mediocre argument for temple usage. Thus, while the stake growth is super exciting, I don't see a Taichung or Kaohsiung temple happening until it translates into lots of temple attendance from those areas, similar to Indy or Philly.
I do not think we will see another temple in Taiwan for quite a while. There are only 16 stakes in Taiwan. Members and missionaries report good accessibility to the temple in Taipei from most major cities due to well developed roads and railways. Additionally, the Taipei Taiwan Temple only schedules four endowment sessions a day on Tuesdays through Fridays. Although the temple appears well utilized on Saturday as evidenced by sessions scheduled every 30 minutes from 7 AM to 3 PM, additional temples are not usually announced in a specific area or region until better attendance occurs on weekdays.
I think Taichung appears more likely to have a temple one day in comparison to Kaohsiung. Congregational growth has been much more rapid in Taichung and missionaries report better success in Taichung than Kaohsiung. Also, Taichung has an LDS mission headquartered in the city whereas Kaohsiung does not.
I read a quote that "thousands and thousands of mainland Chinese go to Taiwan on an annual basis" (Jan. 2014). Also, I read that many mainlanders attend school in Taiwan. I could see how many Chinese would like to visit the island, and if LDS then their would ne less DRC oversight which would be a bother, possibly risky. I also read that possibly 5% of Taiwanese workers may do so in mainland China. Perhaps flights to Taipei might be cheaper than Hong Kong, depending on where you fly from.
James, thanks for the description of the bus, TRAX, and Front Runner service to the temples along the Wasatch Front and into Logan. All is as I would expect.
Alex, I agree that new temples in Utah will be almost certainly be within 200 miles of other temples simply because of the high density. But, the point was that 200 miles can be traversed in very different amounts of time depending on the situation and in Utah, one can go 200 miles faster than just about anywhere else in the world (except for some neighboring states).
I think the main issue will be demand for temple services. People traveling long distances regularly to the temple probably plays a major role in decisions about temples.
Now as to temples in other areas, Taiwan does not look likely to me either, most of the 1980s temples from the same period as Taipei actually may have more stakes (these would be those announced in 1982 to 1984 or so).
In Utah, things right now appear to be fairly even, save for Mount Timp, as when Provo City Center opens that will relieve Provo which is still running at capacity even after Payson. Mt. Timp will take everything from the 16th North line in Orem to the boundary with the Salt Lake County temples. That is generally near the county line.
The member population in northern Utah County could be substantial, as Provo and most of Orem combined is over 200,000 now, with about 150,000 of them being members. Church leaders in Utah County have put the county population total within county boundaries at 470,000 member out of just under 600,000 and missionary reports here indicate they are running from lesson to lesson in many areas.
Therefore, Payson serves 78k members, not sure of general population. Everything south of the Springville/Mapleton and Spanish Fork boundary roughly. Plus several communities in two other counties.
Provo City Center will take Springville, Mapleton, and Provo residential south of Provo Center Street save for one stake, and about ten BYU-area YSA stakes. The YSA stakes' inclusion have complicated to a degree coordiantion on the temple open house for Provo City Center, so they will not be working that until the end of January.
Provo has the rest of Provo and Orem to 1600 North plus Heber City, and Mt. Timp has the rest of Utah County. But Mt. Timp has had capacity issues. Have heard of 90-minute waits to get as far as the chapel on some Saturdays when going to do endowments.
That means that it's most likely to see the next Utah temple in northwestern Utah County, unsure where, as Lehi is very fast-growing but Saratoga Springs/Eagle Mountain may be running a good horserace behind Lehi that way.
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I've just learned of a projected timeline for the Tucson Temple. About 16 months for major construction. Two months of that is already past with the foundation poured and the foundation walls going in.
Same person said that Philadelphia will be getting its Angel Moroni statue next month.
Presumably that means the scaffolding on the east tower will come down soon after, and the same person also noted that they understand that much of the interior is also complete so they are on track still for a fall opening.
A little update: A while ago, I wrote that there is likely a policy of the Europe Area that discourages the baptism of recent Syrian refugees. I'm not exactly certain of their status, but three Syrians were baptized this morning in my home ward in the Germany Frankfurt Mission (and a lot of their family members and friends are presently being taught - we have some very busy Missionaries).
A couple from Iran was baptized just last week. All in all, twelve converts have been baptized in my ward this year, including 11 now-former Muslims. All appear active today. I've heard similar successes from other nearby wards and branches when it comes to reaching out to Muslim populations. Looking at the potential Germany had in this segment, even before the current refugee crisis, this growth seems overdue and will probably with us for a while.
When I was in Provo I would often take the bus to the temple. I am sad to hear they have cut back on the regularity of bus access. This may well cause lots of BYU students to go to Provo City Center no matter how their particular stake is assigned. If you live south of campus a walk to city center is much more doable. Especially since it isn;t uphill most of the way. The same applies to taking a bike. And with regular bus service I think this will be the direction. Even in Heleman Halls once you take into account slope directions and steepness, I think City Center is the easier temple to get to, though further. Although I suspect a lot of BYU students will try going to both temples.
Very exciting to hear about significant numbers of conversions and retentions in wards in Germany. If this level of things keeps up, we may see another mission in Germany brought back.
I just did further looking at the status of temples under construction or set for groundbreaking (and some other things based on other observations and current experiences).
2016: 4 to 6 completed.
2017: 2 to 4 completed.
2018: 1 to 3 completed.
Left to break ground for or actively start construction: 9.
Renovations: 5. 3 or 4 will finish in 2016, 1 or 2 in 2017.
A temple is 'done' as far as actual construction about three to four months before a dedication date. This depends on how long the open house will be. At the point we hear of furniture deliveries and site trailer removal is when the contractor has turned it over to the Church and the open house committee is lining things up, this usually takes about two months to organize and coordinate everything, although for the cultural celebration it takes longer to write and coordinate things.
For Provo City Center, it was announced that the typical Mutual activities have been laid aside, and that the sole focus of Mutual will be the twice-a-week rehearsals (Wednesdays and Saturdays here) and they are even inviting nonmembers to participate in the performance.
The Church is still only lightly present in Nigeria. For example Nnewi, the second largest city in Anambra State in Nigeria, with a population of around 400,000 people does not have a branch.
The Nigeria Port Harcourt Mission by my calculations has at least 15 million people living in its boundaries. I could easily see this mission being split next year.
Yes, plenty of opportunities in Nigeria. Realistically, I see a new mission coming up soon in Aba. Would love to see a new mission in Ibadan aided by the growth in Western Nigeria as well as one in Abuja to shrink the geography of the Enugu mission.
Unit Update
Will do Special end of year stats on the 1st
20 Dec
Kaohsiung Taiwan North Stake (5 Wards)
Chishan Ward
Kangshan Ward
Nantzu Ward
Sanmin Ward
Tsoying Ward
Crighton Ward, Spring Texas Stake (9 Wards)
Harmony Ward, Spring Texas Stake (9 Wards)
Parque Pinheiros Branch, São Paulo Brazil Parque Pinheiros Stake (1 Branch, 5 Wards)
27 Dec
Crossroads 2nd Ward, Saratoga Springs Utah Crossroads Stake (14 Wards)
Denton 5th Ward, Denton Texas Stake (10 Wards)
Eagle Park 2nd Ward, Eagle Mountain Utah Central Stake (1 Branch, 8 Wards)
Escalante Ward, Spanish Fork Utah River Stake (9 Wards)
Mill Pond Ward, Lehi Utah Stake (13 Wards)
Vineyard 9th Ward, Orem Utah Vineyard Stake (1 Branch, 9 Wards)
YTD 643(12.37/week 52) +11 (Net 9) - Total 34,203(+8)
Africa 175, 27.2% (0) - Total 1769 (0)
America North 152, 23.6% (+3) - Total 9337 (+2)
America Central 44, 6.8% (0) - Total 3919 (0)
America South 59, 9.2% (+1) - Total 6346 (+1)
Asia 21, 3.3% (+1) - Total 929 (0)
Europe 27, 4.2% (0) - Total 1716 (0)
Pacific 48, 7.5% (0) - Total 2729 (0)
Utah & Idaho 116(94), 18.0(14.6)% (+6) - Total 6919(5706)(+6)
Totals no-sensitive (Net 1)
Areas Temples Miss Stakes Dist Wards Branch Totals
Global 25 149 418 3,174 547 22,553 7,355 34,221
Us/Can 10 81 131 1,600 10 12,573 2,065 16,470
US n/a 73 124 1,552 7 12,235 1,917 15,908
Utah n/a 15 10 580 1 4,696 330 5,632
Canada n/a 8 7 48 3 338 148 552
Out 15 68 287 1,574 537 9,980 5,290 17,751
With Sensitive
Areas Temples Miss Stakes Dist Wards Branch Totals
Global 25 149 418 3,174 558 22,557 7,446 34,327
It looks likely the Saratoga Springs Utah Crossroads stake will be split soon.
The Saratoga Springs Utah Crossroads Stake has 14 wards. Just to the south is the Saratoga Spring Utah Stake with 12 wards. My guess would be both stakes would be involved in the creation of a new stake. That would make 3 8-9 ward stakes, the size of the other Saratoga Springs stakes.
Unit Update
13 Nov
Saldan Branch, Córdoba Argentina Sierras Stake(B:2, W:5
6 Dec
Trigales Ward, Quetzaltenango Guatemala West Stake (B:1 , W:9 )
20 Dec
La Másica Branch, La Ceiba Honduras Stake (B:2 , W:10 )
27 Dec
Traverse Mountain 14th Ward, Lehi Utah Traverse Mountain Stake (W:11)
Tweneboa Branch, Accra Ghana Lartebiokorshie Stake (B:1, W:5)
Xicohtzinco Branch, Tlaxcala México Stake (B:1 , W:9)
YTD 648(12.46/week 52) +5 (Net 9) - Total 34,209(+6) as of 12/31/14 33,544 +665 for year
Africa 176, 27.2% (+1) - Total 1770 (+1) as of 12/31/14 1594 +176 for year
America North 152, 23.6% (0) - Total 9337 (0) as of 12/31/14 9185 +152 for year
America Central 46, 6.8% (+2) - Total 3921 (+2) as of 12/31/14 3875 +46 for year
America South 61, 9.2% (+2) - Total 6347 (+1) as of 12/31/14 6286 +61 for year
Asia 21, 3.3% (0) - Total 930 (+1) as of 12/31/14 909 +21 for year
Europe 27, 4.2% (0) - Total 1715 (-1) on 12/31/14 1688 +27 for year
Pacific 48, 7.5% (0) - Total 2729 (0) on 12/31/14 2681 +48 for year
Utah & Idaho 116(94), 18.0(14.6)% (+6) - Total 6920(5707)(+1) as of 12/31/14 6803(5612) +127(95)
Totals no-sensitive (Net 13)
Areas Temples Miss Stakes Dist Wards Branch Totals
Global 25 149 418 3,174 547 22,568 7,353 34,234
Us/Can 10 81 131 1,600 10 12,581 2,065 16,478
US n/a 73 124 1,552 7 12,243 1,917 15,916
Utah n/a 15 10 580 1 4,702 331 5,632
Canada n/a 8 7 48 3 338 148 552
Out 15 68 287 1,574 537 9,987 5,288 17,756
With Sensitive
Areas Temples Miss Stakes Dist Wards Branch Totals
Global 25 149 418 3,174 558 22,572 7,444 34,340 Unit total 33,748
I still haven't figured out why my unit totals never seem to line up
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