Florida
The Church organized a new stake in Florida on August 23rd. The Orlando Florida West Stake was organized from a division of the Lakeland Florida Stake, Leesburg Florida Stake, and the Orlando Florida South Stake. The new stake includes the following eight wards and one branch: the Avalon, Buena Vists YSA, Citrus Ridge, Davenport, Lake Crescent, Lake Louisa, Lake Reams, and Winter Garden Wards, and the Bear Bay (Mandarin) Branch. The new stake is the Church's sixth stake organized in Florida since 2015.
There are now 34 stakes in Florida.
Georgia
The Church organized a new stake in Georgia on August 16th. The Newnan Georgia Stake was organized from a division of the Colombus Georgia, Fayetteville Georgia Stake, and Powder Springs Georgia Stake. The new stake includes the following six wards and three branches: the Carrollton, Flat Creek, Newnan, Peachtree City, Sharpsburg, and Summer Grove Wards, and the LaGrange, Lanett, and West Georgia YSA Branches. The Newnan Georgia Stake is the Church's third new stake organized in the past two years after the Coal Mountain Georgia Stake (2018) and the Winder Georgia Stake (2020).
There are now 19 stakes in Georgia.
Massachusetts
The Church organized a new stake in Massachusetts on August 30th. The Worcester Massachusetts Stake was organized from a division of the Blackstone Valley Massachusetts Stake, the Springfield Massachusetts Stake, and the Nashua New Hampshire Stake. The new stake includes the following six wards and one branch: the Acton, Gardner, Littleton, Oxford, Worcester 1st, and Worcester 2nd Wards, and the Worcester 3rd (Spanish) Branch. The new stake is the Church's third new stake organized in Massachusetts since 2016 following new stakes in North Shore (2016) and Blackstone Valley (2017).
There are now seven stakes in Massachusetts.
Wyoming
The Church organized a new stake in Wyoming on August 30th. The new stake was created from a division of the Gillette Wyoming Stake and the Billings Montana East Stake. The new stake includes the following five wards and two branches: the Buffalo, Colstrip, Sheridan 1st, Sheridan 2nd, and Sheridan 3rd Wards, and the Ranchester and Sheridan YSA Branches.
There are now 18 stakes in Wyoming.
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I think next year 2021 is gonna explode with new Stakes
Though I am curious if any new wards or branches were organized recently
News from this Stake Conference (Orlando Florida West Stake) hints that the Orlando Florida Hunters Creek stake was renamed. Can someone tell me the correct new name. ?
Exciting for new stakes. In Wyoming there are several additional stakes that can be split in the new 2-3 years. Including Casper, Cody, and Laramie.
This leaves the Montana Billings Mission with seventeen stakes - it picked up some when the Rapid City mission moved to Bismarck. I don't know about a Missoula temple, but a Missoula mission seems likely to me.
Very great to see these stakes created.
The Ellington, CT ward was moved to the Springfield MA stake from the Hartford CT stake.
How wonderful to see how the Church continues to grow in some states of the United States, I know they are huge places, but it is stimulating to see that they continue to be established despite the obstacles.
In my Chile, the Church has greatly diminished, despite having 600,000 baptized and few active in the church and the gospel.
Even so, the church is extended from arica to punta arenas and in view of this, there should be more temples because the distances are enormous.
Hopefully all over the world the day came when the church, in addition to growing in number, was strengthened and I became a real pillar.
A hug from Santiago de Chile
The Sheridan stake is comprised of the same units that were within the new stake's boundaries since befire 1987, only the YSA branch and the Colstrip unit have been created since. So this may actually be a case of creating a new stake to ease leadership burdens as the Gillette stake goes to the South Dakota line and to the next town south of Gillette.
Having spent 3 years in Chile, I observed similar things that I have seen in other places, where the level of commitment wanes and the people disbelieve, disobey, and fall away... Sometimes the relationship with the missionaries and the Lord, the Church is more a tryst-like burst of excitement with no deep roots, but there are many cultural factors why people go less active, in every country and community. Stick with it, hard to do for many...
Groundbreaking scheduled for Moses Lake Washington temple in October:
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/groundbreaking-set-for-moses-lake-washington-temple
I believe we are now up to 14 temples that have had or are scheduled for groundbreaking in 2020.
Posted last night on Church Newsroom - Pacific Area :
Rendering released, location announced for new Papua New Guinea temple
https://www.thechurchnews.com/temples/2020-09-15/papua-new-guinea-temple-rendering-location-192698
Today Trump participated in a joint meeting where Is real, Bahrain, and the UEA singed a peace pact. This could allow Is real to attend the Dubai temple in a few years.
I do not like autocorrect. I meant Israel. Not Is real.
The new temple in Papua New Guinea will be under 10,000 square feet, so smaller than most temples built in 1999-2002.
It will however house a distribution center.
Bryansb1984: Where is the 2021 explosion of stakes going to happen?
Two major Church places where it is not likely are California and Chile, places where I have lived over ten years of my life.
Utah continues to grow. West Africa and the Central Africa, plus other parts of Africa south and east.
South Korea is stagnant, and so is Japan, it seems. Taiwan is retracting?
Philippines always is a growth place.
Where else do you see big stake growth? Brazil, Florida, Texas?
Queen Creek Arizona Heritage Stake - 2155591 recently organized.
@ Chris yes, the Queen Creek Arizona Heritage stake was created on 13 Sep 2020 according to the cdol.
There were twenty more stakes projected for West Africa this year before everything fell apart. But so far it looks like only the United States is allowed to organize stakes via technology.
West and Central Africa areas will have a huge growth next year. I am also hoping that Peru and Brazil both see many new stakes.
A district in Ghana became a stake in the last few days and was reported on today's CDOL.
As reported by @Matt here, new "Kumasi Ghana Suame Stake - 2052776" organized.
https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/#ll=6.932905,-1.436981&z=10&m=google.hybrid&layers=stakecenter&find=stake:2052776
Also "Kumasi Ghana Asokwa Stake - 2078627", organized November 06, 2016, was renamed "Kumasi Ghana University Stake - 2078627"
https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/#ll=6.698381,-1.332245&z=10&m=google.hybrid&layers=stakecenter&find=stake:2078627
Also "Nkawkaw Ghana District - 2017377", renamed "Kumasi Ghana Konongo District - 2017377"
https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/#ll=6.521443,-0.800757&z=12&m=google.hybrid&layers=stakecenter&find=stake:2017377
@Matt,
Correction to my previous post :
The "Agona Ghana District - 2052776", originally organized 06/21/2015, reorganized this week as the new "Kumasi Ghana Suame Stake - 2052776".
https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/#ll=6.778323,-1.382823&z=10&m=google.road&layers=stakecenter&find=stake:2052776
The president of the Worcester Stake is David Holland. This is per a local article on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints donating to a local food bank.
This article is an extreme show of the trend where negative editorial content misuses the name of an ancient prophet and positive content follows the Church's style guideline. The article in question never mentions any other name for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I believe this is the same David Holland who previously was president of the Nashua New Hampshire Stake. If so he is a son of Jeffrey R. Holland who is a professor at Harvard Divinity School. He recently wrote an article comparing the first vision of Joseph Smith to the first vision of Ellen White.
"When Church leaders can’t interact with members personally like they used to, ‘they are doing it through Zoom’ "
https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2020-09-20/covid-19-president-ballard-church-leaders-zoom-videoconferences-192835
I think organizing a stake where most members do not have consistent access to technology via technology would lead to very few members being able to access the meeting. I can see why people are hesitant about doing that.
L. Chris Jones, I assume autocorrect may also have been a factor in another nation you mentioned above. UEA should have been UAE, the United Arab Emirates, where the Dubai temple will be built. It still blows me away a little that that nation actually invited the Church to construct a temple there.
Hello again, everyone! I don't want to hijack this thread, but wanted to mention that I've published a new updated version of my predictions for the upcoming General Conference after fixing some errors with the last edition thereof. The open commenting period remains in effect until Thursday October 1 @ 10:00 PM MDT. My thanks once again to you all.
I just started multiple attempts to end the over use of Mormon and Mormonism in Wikipedia to refer to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I wish I had a more eloquent way to persuade people to the correct naming of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
@JPL
I was curious about that article you mentioned, so I looked it up. Here it is for others who may be interested:
"Of Contrasts, Apologies, and Authenticity: The First Visions of Joseph Smith and Ellen White in Comparison"
Author David F. Holland
https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/contrasts-apologies-and-authenticity-first-visions-joseph-smith-and-ellen-white-comparison
The former "West Africa" area of the map on Rick's temple site is now divided into "Nigeria", "Ghana, Togo & Benin", "Cote d'Ivoire", and "Atlantic West Africa". Three of these four areas now only have one temple dot within their boundaries. Does he know something we don't? Is he expecting more West Africa temple announcements?
Christopher Nicholson-
Rick periodically updates his maps to make them more user friendly. I believe this change was probably to help make the three temples in Nigeria more easily viewed since it is a small area if the entire West Africa region is in one map. I do believe that West Africa is highly likely to have more temple announcements, with Monrovia, Liberia being the most likely candidate. I also see 1-2 more temples in Nigeria being likely, and perhaps even a second temple in Sierra Leone in Bo or a second temple in Cote d'Ivoire either in Yamoussoukro or a second temple in Abidjan in the Yopougon area (where transportation is pretty difficult because it is so congested). In five years, Abidjan could very well need a second temple given there are 13 stakes just in the city (with several of which ready to divide again). With how small the Abidjan Cote d'Ivoire Temple is, I could easily see Abijdan being the first city in Africa to get a second temple. A second temple in Ghana also seems likely either in Kumasi or in Cape Coast (a fourth stake was just created in Kumasi). A temple in Lome, Togo seems likely for another 5-10 years given current growth rates and the trend for when countries usually get their first temple.
Groundbreaking announced for Coban Guatemala and Okinawa Japan temples:
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/groundbreakingsannouncedfortemples-inguatemalaandjapan
We only have two left to reach the 18 temples, mentioned by Elder Bednar, that would have ground broken in 2020. I wonder what other two will be added? I would like to see another African temple move into construction phase soon, especially the Zimbabwe or Kenya one.
I have to admit I sometimes get too worked up about Wikipedia discussions. There is currently an attempt to move the article "Missionaries (LDS Church)" to "Mormon missionaries". I have made a counter proposal to move it to "Missionaires of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". I fear at this time we are likely to not make much progress. Elsewhere people have attacked me for referring to "The restored Church of Jesus Christ". I do not think we will win these debates at this time, which makes me very irritable and perturbed.
I really think there is a lot of grounds to compare the use of the term "Mormon" to the use of the term "Negro". However I am at present holding off on the comparison because any comparison along those lines gets one branded a bigot. Even though members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were excluded from voting in Idaho on grounds of Church membership, we cannot claim any equivalency with what happened to African-Americans. Even though Ross Anderson openly seeks to exclude members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from public office in a way that no one would tolerate someone seeking to exclude African-Americans from public office, we cannot claim there is any bigotry against members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I am really mad at some Wikipedia editors right now. I am sick of them considering hateful sources from the Salt Lake Tribune, the leading organ in denying women who were members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the vote in the 1880s, to somehow be neutral. Wikipedia policies often lead to favoring shoddy articles over accurate and well written ones and there is a concerted attempt to exclude sources in any way connected with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, denigrating years of attempts at high levels of scholarship and attacking clearly editorially indepdent publications like BYU Studies.
The bias in removing many articles on general authority seventies of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints while keeping much less well sourced articles on bishops in the Catholic Church is also galling.
'The Church of Jesus Christ' is also acceptable, the Youtube channel where the Church has placed all the addresses in video form aside from a very small number where the video quality was bad or somehow the tape got damaged is called 'Gemeral Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ' for example. So, 'Missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ' is likely an acceptable way too.
John Pack Lambert - You are more than welcome to setup all of those Wiki articles in the right format over at Mormon.Wikia.com. I have already completed a stub article for each stake and temple and quite a few GA's. I'm the primary admin there and I keep it as a giant "sandbox" to counter the incorrect info at Wikipedia. Bryce Hall AKA:MainTour.
JPL: How can you compare "Mormon" to "Negro" when, as just one example, the "Meet the Mormons" film isn't even 10 years old. Indeed, the Church emphasized, if not encouraged and celebrated "Mormon," and it wasn't even all that long ago. So no, the two terms are an apples and oranges comparison at best. What I am personally tired of is members of the Church acting like constantly offended victims over things like this that we ultimately have little to no control over anyway.
Tokyo Japan Stake has announced it has created the first YSA Group (Branch) in Japan. The Shibuya YSA Group will have around 60 YSAs attending together. Definitely a step in the right direction to better serve the needs of YSAs in Japan.
Any predictions/rumors on possible General Conference announcements other than new Temples announced? The rumor mill has been very quiet lately -- I think we've been preoccupied with 2020, but was wondering if anyone has heard anything?
Here in Mexico, Conference is going to be available publically on radio from 32 cities across the nation. And in an additional 49, it will also be broadcast live on local television networks. First time in history.
Per today, the Long Beach California East Stake has been reassigned to the Newport Beach California Temple district.
@Matt
How many countries outside the US have YSA units?
@Pills & Pillows
I haven't heard any rumors on this front, but aside from new temples, it's possible we might hear more word on the renovation of the other Pioneer Temples.
@Jonathan Reese Whiting
Based on what is shown in classic maps it appears there are YSA units in the following countries: Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Kiribati, Tonga, Philippines, Singapore, Botswana/South Africa (unit in Botswana, but boundaries include a bit of South Africa), the UK, and of course the USA.
I am very surprised that there don't appear to be any in Latin America, especially cities with a major, well-established church presence such as Lima, Sao Paulo, or Mexico City. It's also surprising that there isn't one in Samoa.
There are two YSA stakes in Alberta Canada.
You can see the complete list of YSA Stakes here:
https://mormon.wikia.org/wiki/Category:YSA_Stakes_of_the_Church
MainTour -
@Johnathan Reese Whiting the countries that have at least one YSA unit are: USA, Canada, England, New Zealand, Australia, Philippines, Tonga, Kiribati, and now soon Japan.
This actually makes sense. Half of the Long Beach East Stake including Stake Center in Los Alamitos is in Orange County, where all the other stakes in the Newport Beach Temple District reside. It's only a 20 minute drive down to Newport Beach from East Long Beach verses a 30-40 minute drive up to the Los Angeles Temple, depending on traffic.
Did you mean general conference?
Since Harare has been in progress awhile, I would love to see it move forward. I fear though corruption and other factors will make Harare and Nairobi rival Bogota and Guayaquil in construction time. I hope I am wrong but I fear I am not.
I once found a website listing all Singles Wards and Branches in the USA (both Young and Mid-singles).
Anyone know of such a list and where to find it?
Anyone know of a list of the Singles Units outside of the US?
@Johnathan Reese Whiting if you look on the meetinghouse locator page of the Church's website, and click on the "Young Single Adult (18-30)" button, the little red dots show you what meetinghouses host at least one YSA ward. I suppose you could make a current list from that.
@Matt I am from the Long Beach California East Stake - our stake president sent an email a few nights ago explaining that he had made the recommendation to the area presidency a few months ago, and they approved it and instigated it shortly after. 4 of the 6 units in our stake technically cover parts of Orange County, although only one of them covers it almost exclusively. 2 of them are 'stake' ones, being the YSA and Spanish wards. Most people in our stake freely attend the Newport Temple anyways. It is very close and does not take long to drive. The only time members would actually attend the LA temple is when there was a stake temple night or ward youth groups went for baptisms. Many people have been wondering and hoping when this was going to happen. This change will bless families, individuals and temple workers. We no longer are obligated to spend hours more going to Los Angeles.
For Midsingles Wards, here's a list I update. Https://midsingles.wordpress.com/midsingles-wards-list
Botswana also has a YSA ward.
Thanks for the responses to my YSA questions, guys. I posted that last question before your responses populated. But if anyone does know of such a list, I'd still be interested.
@Matt
Thanks for the Mid-singles list.
Groundbreaking for the Bentonville temple will be on November 22nd in an invite-only setting, though other members can view a recorded broadcast later. Temple timeline is that it'll take 22 months, though "the church always finished it quicker than their timelines," which would put completion in mid to late 2022.
The Mexico City Mexica Zarahemla Stake was not a YSA stake. The "single students" in that stake were high school students. It was the only stake in the church consisting of almost exclusively high school students.
At points both San Francisco and Los Angeles did not have YSA units because over half of the total members in the stakes were young single adults.
There are a lot of reasons not to create seperate YSA units. The YSA program can be run from local units. Anywhere where transportation is going to be an issue creating YSA units has its draw backs. I also having been in one have to say it makes it harder to do outreach to less actives in the 18-30 age range. The records of less actives are generally sent back to the home unit, and then there are no active YSAs to do outreach there.
In my inner city branch we also face the issue that our inner city YSAs often feel very out of place in a largely suburban YSA unit. The level of feeling out of place might be less in a mixed ward. Also for inner city YSAs the fact that YSA wards have no accomadation for single parents can be a challenge. Single parents would be better served by YSAs being split out to various wards and branches and running YSA programs from them.
On the other hand I do know there are some members who come out to YSA units who if not having that option would totally fall through the cracks.
There are a lot of factors involved. There is also a lot of history involved here.
@Chris the Mexico City Zarahemla stake was a "Student Single" stake. That was because that was the stake that belonged to the now defunct Benemerito de las Americas high school (which is now the Mexico MTC. Pure high schoolers aged 14-18. And the first place from where missionaries could leave at 18.
Chris, it's not a typo. With the fragile situation of the Church in mainland China, and due to the Chinese government's reluctance to even acknowledge the fact of the temple's announcement, the Church has likely opted to not list the Shanghai PRC temple for the time being, assuming they do so in any way at all. It could be that the Church might keep everything about that temple on the DL.
The "San Antonio Texas Pecan Valley Stake - 2161486" was recently organized.
With the Mission Creek, Pleasanton 1st, San Antonio 1st, San Antonio 10th, Woodlake and Buena Vista (Spanish) Wards, plus the Fort Sam Houston Military Branch.
https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/#ll=29.51039,-98.36062&z=12&m=google.hybrid&layers=stakecenter&q=San%20Antonio%20Texas%20Pecan%20Valley%20Stake&find=stake:2161486
I was looking at the new stake and saw a ward in NW San Antonio that is geographically the size of a ward in Mesa or Gilbert, AZ. One subdivision is in a ward. The Wildhorse ward. Are there other non-Mountain West/CA wards geographically that size, or is that just an anomaly?
Based on the 3 fairly new stakes in Massachusetts, I would say this improves the chances for a temple in Vermont, New Hampshire, or Maine. As it means the Boston temple is less likely to need the temple workers from the Stakes in those states, once it fully reopens.
However it's hard to predict where it would be located, as the Stakes are somewhat spread out.
It may work better to have one in Maine, serving the 2 stakes there, and a second in New Hampshire, serving 3 stakes plus the one in Vermont. Manchester, perhaps.
There is no Stake there but it does have the Mission office. I don't know if the Church owns any property that would be the right size for a temple here.
Adam, if you are living in or have familiarity with the area in which that temple will be built, then I'm sure you have the inside track on the groundbreaking arrangements. That being said, are you absolutely sure about the specific date? Unless the calendar is wrong, it appears that November 22 is a Sunday, and I haven't ever heard of any temple groundbreaking being scheduled to occur on a Sunday. I am hard-pressed to believe that the Church would greenlight the process of physically breaking ground, even for a temple, on a day that is supposed to be dedicated to worshipping the Lord and not engaging in physical activities. Thanks.
Church announces 3 more temple groundbreakings, 2020 total to rise to 19:
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/temple-groundbreakings-announced-in-asia-and-africa
My thanks once again to you all.
Groundbreaking for 3 more temples by the end of the year.
https://www.thechurchnews.com/temples/2020-10-01/bengaluru-india-harare-zimbabwe-davao-philippines-temple-groundbreakings-193931
There's 11 Temple groundbreakings scheduled between now to the end of the year. The most recent announcement Harare Zimbabwe scheduled for November
5 new temple groundbreakings announced!
November 2020:
Antofagasta Chile
Mendoza Argentina
Davao Philippines
December 2020:
Harare Zimbabwe
Bengaluru India
Wow! in two separate announcements, five more temples have had groundbreaking announced! Mendoza Argentina, Antofagasta Chile and Davao Philippines in November, Bengaluru India and Harare Zimbabwe in December.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/temple-groundbreakings-announced-in-asia-and-africa
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/groundbreakings-announced-for-temples-in-south-america
This puts the total groundbreakings for the year at 21 (8 already done, 13 more scheduled including 8 for November), exceeds Elder Bednar's number by 3, and reverses the current numbers on the "under construction" and "announced" lists (currently 22 and 35, respectively). (Also, if there were one more groundbreaking it would double last year's 11.) It appears that our leaders are clearing the queue so that more temples can be announced this weekend in conference.
I saw the Harare Zimbabwe and Davao Phillipines announcement this morning and then later saw the Bengaluru India, Mendoza Argentina and Antofagasta Chile. Gonna be a lot of dedications 2022/2023.
When all temples currently under construction or scheduled for groundbreaking are finished, we will have 203 temples, probably in 2025, well in advance of the Church's two hundredth anniversary. We will have more than one temple for every year of the Church's existence notwithstanding none were dedicated in the great majority of those years.
I am hoping for at least 13 temples to be announced this weekend. Assuming there are 13 I predict the following.
Augusta Maine
Smithfield Utah
Herriman Utah
Heber City Itah
Austin Texas
Torreon Mexico
Santa Cruz Bolivia
Iquitos Peru
Abuja Nigeria
Monrobia Liberia
Antanarivo Madagascar
Glasgow Scotland
Nagano Japan
Other top contenders:
Mexico City 2
Pachuca Mexico
Jacksonville Florida
Charlotte, North Carolina
Mabaje-Maye, DR Congo
Kumasi, Ghana
Cape Coast, Ghana
La Paz, Bolivia
Colorado Spring. Colorado
North Ogden, Itah
Halliday or Sandy or Murray Utah
Price, Utah
Tacoma/Olympia, Washington
Eilugene, Oregon
Bakersfield, California
Christ Church, New Zealand
Singapore
Jakarta, Indoneia
Missoula, Montana
Rapid City. South Dakota
The list could go on. We will see
Located another 1st in recent Church History. A new Temple has been placed on both Classic Maps sites, prior to being dedicated first. And the closest Stake, Winnipeg Manitoba Stake - 511439 has been reassigned. Although the Fort Frances Ontario District - 600717, is still listed as assigned to St. Paul Minnesota Temple.
https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/#ll=49.796387,-97.173919&z=13&m=google.hybrid&layers=stakecenter&q=Winnipeg%20Manitoba%20Temple&find=temple.construction:1642170
Briansb1984, you asked on Sept. 7 if there have been many new wards and branches created recently, and as of a few days ago there have been 123 net new wards and branches; 124 more wards and 1 less branch than the end of 2019. This year the majority of the growth has been in the US, with 80 new congregations; 68 more wards and 12 additional branches, or about 2/3 of all new units in the US. Utah has seen the most new units, with 48 total, or 44 new wards and 4 new branches.
The temple matrix has been updated for anticipated October 2020 temple announcements. It includes a compilation of 17 lists and merges them together for a consensus matrix of anticipated temples. Hope you are enjoying general conference! sites.google.com/view/templematrix
Phxmars: I like your question about the size of that ward in NW San Antonio, comparing it to a smaller geographic concentrations of ward members like in Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona.
I am not sure about smallest acreage of ward sizes anywhere, but I heard that the Belmont Ridge Ward of Ashburn Stake is the smallest on the Eastern seabord.
There used to be really small wards in Santiago de Chile, before the fusings of 2004 or so. I bet Lima, Peru, has some very compact, smaller wards.
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