Coeur d’Alene Idaho Temple
The Coeur d’Alene Idaho Temple was the only temple announced in October 2024 that was not on my temple predictions map, although this site was suggested by many blog readers. I had determined Coeur d’Alene too unlikely to have a temple announced given its close proximity to the Spokane Washington Temple (services 13 stakes), albeit this temple is one of the most heavily used temples in the Church due to significant growth in the area for the Church in the past couple decades combined with a small square footage for the building. Thus, it had seemed more likely that the Spokane Washington Temple would be remodeled to expand its size rather than have a second temple announced for the Spokane/Coeur d’Alene metropolitan area. The new temple will be the Church's 10th temple in Idaho following the Idaho Falls Idaho Temple (dedicated in 1945), the Boise Idaho Temple
(dedicated in 1984), the Rexburg Idaho Temple (dedicated in 2008), the
Twin Falls Idaho Temple (dedicated in 2008), the Meridian Idaho Temple
(dedicated in 2017), the Pocatello Idaho Temple (dedicated in 2021), the
Burley Idaho Temple (announced in 2021), the Teton River Idaho
Temple (announced in 2021), and the Montpelier Idaho Temple (announced in 2022). The new temple will likely be a small temple that services four stakes in extreme northern Idaho (three of which are in the Coeur d’Alene area and were organized in 1962, 1999, and 2022) which currently attend the Spokane Washington Temple. These stakes experience steady growth, and additional stakes may be organized if this growth continues in the coming years. The Church has experienced steady moderate growth in this area of Idaho in recent years. As of year-end 2023, there were 476,118 Latter-day Saints meeting in 1,228 congregations. Currently, there are 142 stakes and three missions in Idaho.
Queen Creek Arizona Temple
The Queen Creek Arizona Temple will be the Church's eighth temple in Arizona following the Mesa Arizona Temple (dedicated in 1927), the Snowflake Arizona Temple (dedicated in 2002), The Gila Valley Arizona Temple (dedicated in 2010), the Gilbert Arizona Temple (dedicated in 2014), the Phoenix Arizona Temple (dedicated in 2014), the Tuscon Arizona Temple (dedicated in 2017), and the Yuma Arizona Temple (announced in April 2024). The new temple will likely be a medium to large temple that services 12-15 stakes in the Queen Creek area and surrounding communities to the south which attend the Gilbert Arizona Temple - a temple which has had its temple district grow to 37 stakes. The Church has historically experienced moderate growth rates in Arizona until the mid-2010s and has since experienced very slow growth rates. As of year-end 2023, there were 442,879 Latter-day Saints who met in 924 congregations. There are currently 117 stakes and six missions in Arizona. Queen Creek was listed on my temple predictions map as a less likely location to have a temple announced.
El Paso Texas Temple
The El Paso Texas Temple will be the Church's 10th temple in Texas following the Dallas Texas
Temple (dedicated in 1984), the Houston Texas Temple (dedicated in
2000), the Lubbock Texas Temple (dedicated in 2002), the San Antonio
Texas Temple (dedicated in 2005), the McAllen Texas Temple (dedicated in
2023), the Fort Worth Texas Temple (announced in 2021), the Austin
Texas Temple (announced in April 2022), the McKinney Texas Temple
(announced in October 2022), and the Houston Texas South Temple (announced in April 2024). El Paso has been on my list of more likely locations to have a temple announced for many years due to difficulty for American members to cross the Mexican border to attend the Ciudad Juárez Mexico Temple and distance to the nearest temple within the United States. The new temple will likely be a small temple that services four stakes (three in El Paso, one in Las Cruces, New Mexico) and one district (the Fort Stockton Texas District). The first stake was created in El Paso in 1952 followed by two more stakes in 1982 and 2016. The Church in El Paso has experienced slow growth for many decades, especially compared to the other largest cities in Texas. As of year-end 2023, there were 385,600 Latter-day Saints who met in 751 congregations. There are currently 80 stakes, 12 missions, and two districts in Texas.
Huntsville Alabama Temple
The Huntsville Alabama Temple will be the Church's second temple in Alabama following the Birmingham Alabama Temple (dedicated in 2000). Alabama will be the first state in the traditionally defined region of the "Deep South" to have two temples. The new temple will likely be a small temple that services the two stakes in the Huntsville area (organized in 1968 and 2011) as well as possibly stakes in Gadsden, Alabama (organized in 2019) and Chattanooga, Tennessee (organized in 1978). Stakes in northern Alabama currently attend the Birmingham Alabama Temple. The Church has experienced slow and steady growth in Alabama for many years. Huntsville was listed on my temple predictions map as a less likely location to have a temple announced.
Milwaukee Wisconsin Temple
The Milwaukee Wisconsin Temple will be the Church's first temple in Wisconsin. Prior to the announcement, Wisconsin was the state with the second most Latter-day Saints without a temple within its geographical boundaries. The new temple will likely be a small temple and include all six stakes in Wisconsin which are currently assigned to the Chicago Illinois Temple and the Minneapolis Minnesota Temple. There are two stakes in Milwaukee which were organized in 1963 and 2002. The Church has experienced slow and steady membership growth in Wisconsin for many years. Only one in every 208 people was a Latter-day Saint in Wisconsin as of 2023. The Church reported 28,430 members, 69 congregations, and one mission as of year-end 2023. Milwaukee was listed on my temple predictions map as a less likely location to have a temple announced.
Summit New Jersey Temple
The Summit New Jersey Temple will be the Church's first temple in New Jersey. Prior to the announcement, New Jersey was the state with the most Latter-day Saints without a temple within its geographical boundaries. Currently stakes in New Jersey are assigned to the Manhattan New York Temple and the Philadelphia Pennsylvania Temple. The new temple will likely be a small temple that services five stakes in northern New Jersey. Church growth in New Jersey has been slow but steady for many years. There were 35,453 Latter-day Saints who met in 62 congregations as of year-end 2023. There is one mission in New Jersey. New Jersey has one of the lowest percentages of Latter-day Saints in the population, as there was one Latter-day Saint per every 262 people in 2023. The oldest stake in New Jersey is the Morristown New Jersey Stake which was organized in 1960. The most recently organized stake in New Jersey is the Liberty Park New Jersey Stake (organized in 2015). Scotch Plains, New Jersey (about five miles away from Summit) was listed on my temple predictions map as a less likely location to have a temple announced to service stakes in northern New Jersey.
Price Utah Temple
The Price Utah Temple will be the Church's 31st temple in Utah
following the St.
George Utah Temple (announced in 1871, dedicated in 1877), the Logan
Utah Temple (announced in 1876, dedicated in 1884), the Manti Utah
Temple (announced in 1875, dedicated in 1888), the Salt Lake Temple
(announced in 1847, dedicated in 1893), the Ogden Utah Temple (announced
in 1967, dedicated in 1972), the Provo Utah Temple (announced in 1967,
dedicated in 1972), the Jordan River Utah Temple (announced in 1978,
dedicated in 1981), the Bountiful Utah Temple (announced in 1990,
dedicated in 1995), the Mount Timpanogos Utah Temple (announced in 1992,
dedicated in 1996), the Vernal Utah Temple (announced in 1994,
dedicated in 1997), the Monticello Utah Temple (announced in 1997,
dedicated in 1998), the Draper Utah Temple (announced in 2004, dedicated
in 2009), the Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple (announced in 2005,
dedicated in 2009), the Brigham City Utah Temple (announced in 2009,
dedicated in 2012), the Payson Utah Temple (announced in 2010, dedicated
in 2015), the Provo City Center Temple (announced in 2011, dedicated in
2016), Cedar City Utah Temple (announced in 2013, dedicated in 2017),
the Saratoga Springs Utah Temple (announced in 2017, dedicated in 2023),
the Layton Utah
Temple (announced in 2018, dedicated in 2024), the Red
Cliffs Utah Temple (announced in 2018, dedicated in 2024), the Deseret
Peak Utah Temple (announced in 2019, scheduled for dedicated in 2024), the Orem Utah Temple (announced in
2019, dedicated in 2024),
the Taylorsville Utah Temple (announced in 2019, dedicated in 2024), the Syracuse Utah
Temple (announced in 2020), the Lindon Utah Temple (announced in 2020),
the Smithfield Utah Temple (announced in 2021), the Ephraim Utah
Temple (announced in 2021), the Heber City Utah Temple (announced in
2021), the West Jordan Utah Temple (announced in April 2024), and the Lehi Utah Temple (announced in April 2024). Price has long been on my list of most likely locations to have a temple announced due to its remote location with five stakes in the immediate Price area as well as three stakes south of Price that are within relatively close proximity (Castle Dale, Ferron, and Huntington). There are three stakes in Price - the oldest of which was organized in 1910. The new temple will likely be a small temple that services eight stakes in Carbon and Emery counties - all of which currently pertain to the Manti Utah Temple district. The Church has experienced stagnant growth in the Price area for many years, and the size of the overall population of this area of Utah has been relatively unchanged for decades. There were 2.19 million Latter-day Saints and 5,417 congregations in Utah as of year-end 2023. There are currently 644 stakes, 13 missions, and six districts in Utah.
Thanks for the updated report. The United States is covering down on its parts with huge distances for members to more conveniently attend the temple, which works out for members who attend, plus of course the patrons who serve there regularly. A noble work, for sure.
ReplyDeleteI would like to repeat as I have before, there are many counties in our fair country that have no Church of Jesus Christ groups or units. This may gradually change, but it is hard. Also, I wish that more missionary work could be done in the native American reservations. And, the inner cities have been difficult places to crack with Gospel works, but of the three, I would assess this part has been more effective than rural reservations and counties.
A fascinating article/report would be breaking down a state, showing which counties have no LDS Church presence, or where the Indian Reservations are, how the Church of Jesus Christ has outreach there. Also, showing how the wards or branches cover inside urban centers.
This would be more interesting and compelling to me than knowing about personal histories of general authorities. The latter is valuable, but I see these other geographical studies as more valuable for real growth. Dissecting places. Meetings are well and good, predicting speakers. But I would be more interested in places, languages, ethnic groups, missionary placements, movements.
South Dakota and West Virginia, not to mention Maine, are close to having temples, right? I think 2025 should be the time!
Canada sees slow growth, but what movement do we see in the 10 provinces and three territories? Which of Mexico's 30 plus states need the most growth?
Brazil? Peru? Chile? Colombia?
We need another 100,000 missionaries, that is for sure. I think.
Last note: it is amazing that Idaho and Arizona, and soon to be Texas, will have the numbers of temples like it used to be for me in Utah in the 1990s.
Amazing times.
Great info, thanks. You might want to change the first sentence of the entry for Price. I've long thought Price was a likely temple location; but assumed Spanish Fork would come first. I also expected Flagstaff this conference, with a potential of 6-7 stakes served. But queen creek will take pressure off of Gilbert. It seems to be a toss of the dice with regard to these smaller, remote versus larger temple locations. Nampa is another location that would ease the pressure from Meridian, which I'm told is very busy and hard to get in to.
ReplyDeleteThanks for noticing this error - It has been fixed.
DeleteWent through and looked at how temple districts would be impacted by these most recent announcements (tried to factor in previous announcements of temples also not yet built for the temples affected by these announcements), in terms of number of stakes assigned:
ReplyDeleteSpokane - 13 to 9
Gilbert - 37 to 22
Ciudad Juarez - 12 to 9
Gila Valley - 6 to 5
Birmingham - 10 to 7
Atlanta - 17 to 16
St Paul MN - 9 to 8
Chicago - 13 to 7-8
Manhattan - 11 to 7
Philadelphia - 8 (after Harrisburg) to 7
Manti - 17 (after Ephraim is finished) to 9
Oaxaca - 6 to 5
Tuxtla Guttierez - 7 to 5
San Salvador - 22 to 13
Bogota - 19 (after Cali) to 15
Santo Domingo - 23 to 16
Concepcion - 26 to 19
Preston - 14 (after Edinburgh and Birmingham) to 12
Rome - 13 to 7
Aba - ~16 (after Calabar, Eket, Benin) to 12
Durban - 10 (after Maputo) to 6
Nairobi - 11 anticipated to 4
Where will Gila Valley lose a stake?
DeleteAnonymous, I assume the loss for Gila Valley is predicted to be Silver City to the El Paso temple. However, I am pretty sure that the stake is closer to the Gila Valley by an 30 minutes.
DeleteThe Silver City stake I thought was assigned to the Albuquerque Temple. The Las Cruces Stake is assigned to Albuquerque for sure.
DeleteI know the temple was announced for El Paso, but the church already owns a good size lot in Mesilla, which is in Las Cruces. If the temple was built on that property, then for sure the temple district would be the three El Paso stakes, one district in Texas, the Las Cruces Stake (which is close to splitting) and the Silver City stake.
If the temple is built in El Paso, I don't know if Silver City will change temples.
The Las Cruces Stake has 14 units (11 wards, 3 branches). 1 ward is an University or singles ward. If 1 or 2 wards split, then the stake could also split. The most difficult part is that the area has a lot of transition due to university students moving in and then leaving after graduation, and military personnel movement. Married university students attend family wards, so it's not just the singles ward continually changing.
The property in Mesilla could easily fit a temple and new stake center. It is easy to get to from I-10. Mesilla does have some weird zoning considerations, so that could also be a factor for not building there.
Sorry, I meant the Las Cruces stake has 12 units. 9 wards and 3 branches.
DeleteCoeur d'Alene will likely be assigned six stakes as there two stakes south of it in Moscow and Lewiston.
ReplyDeleteMoscow Stake is also splitting with a new Pullman Washington Stake. Perhaps both stakes will go to the new CDA Temple, or Pullman goes to Spokane, while Moscow goes to CDA.
DeleteThis posted on Newsroom site earlier today. The preliminary work started on the Lethbridge Alberta Temple site.
ReplyDeletehttps://news-ca.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/preliminary-work-begins-on-lethbridge-alberta-temple-site
Las Cruces NM Stake with 12 units is on the verge of splitting, so it wouldn't surprise me if the new El Paso Temple gets a temple similar in size to Farmington NM (25-30k sq ft) versus a smaller temple like Elko NV (10k sq ft)
ReplyDeleteOne interesting thing is even though Price is assigned to Manti the temple that it takes the least time to drive to is Provo City Center. Payson Utah Temple is also closer to Price. The fastest way to go from Price to Manti involves driving up through Spanish Fork and then coming back south. If you go directly over the mountains further south the road bends back and forth so many times it actually takes longer than if you go up through Spanish Fork. At least this is what Google maps claims.
ReplyDeleteDriving from Price to Manti, you turn off the highway to head South before going through the last canyon into Spanish Fork.
DeleteThis area does get closed when there are bad snow storms, other times snow tires or chains are required.
Based on Aba Temple's size I think even with no new stakes (which in Nigeria is not part of the consideration), the numbers demand at least Port Harcourt gets announced. I think Enugu is also likely.
ReplyDeleteAt some point it would make sense to for Uth just list other temples in the same county, and for Canada to lost only those temples in the effected province and for Mexico and Brazil to list only those temples in the effected state. I have no idea what that point is.
Also I thought Maputo was assigned to Johanesburg, not Durban.
Also, sad to report, the Madera México District (606952), has been disorganized sometime since I last checked in July 2024.
ReplyDeletehttps://maps.churchofjesuschrist.org/stakes/606952
It appears the Madera Branch has become under the leadership of the Mission.
https://maps.churchofjesuschrist.org/wards/174653
What are the requirements for CDOL? I am the Elders Quorum Secretary and apparently don't have access.
DeleteMissing the context on this comment:
ReplyDelete"At some point it would make sense to for Uth just list other temples in the same county, and for Canada to lost only those temples in the effected province and for Mexico and Brazil to list only those temples in the effected state. I have no idea what that point is."
Plus, the misspellings and poor grammar/lack of clarity is perplexing.
Canada to "lose", no: "list" those temples in the "affected" province.
Mexico and Brazil lists. What are you referring to? Not only are you anonymous, but you are ambiguous/unctuous.
Sorry, just wanting some more clarity and context for cogency.
Looking at West Virginia: it only has three stakes in the main center? The eastern panhandle will report to Winchester, Virginia. The northern tip should go to Pittsburgh. Looks like the state in general may have too few members to support a temple.
Is this the case with South Dakota?
New England seems to suffer such maladies. Should we send more missionaries to these places?
How is the missionary support in India lately? How about Malaysia and Indonesia? Vietnam? Laos still would not have any, I think...
For Brazil and Mexico, I assume they are referring to breaking the lists down by state instead of the entire country. For example, only listing the Curitiba and Londrina temples for Parana state.
DeleteFor West Virginia, Pittsburgh has the Clarksburg stake, Charleston stake to Columbus, and Huntington to the Louisville temple. Charleston and Huntington both have 6 wards and 5 branches, while Clarksburg has 8 wards and 4 branches. Charleston would be the most central location, with Clarksburg having the possibility of going either way.
Not 100% certain what you mean with South Dakota, but their 2 stakes are on opposite sides of the state, a 5 hour trip between. Rapid City has 8 wards and 7 branches, assigned to Bismarck just under 5 hours away, with Casper being about 40 minutes closer. Sioux Falls with 7 wards and 9 branches is assigned to Winter Quarters, being less than 3 hours away.
I don't think I would be able to answer your questions about missionary support. I think Manchester New Hampshire is very likely for the next New England temple with 3 stakes around the city. Augusta has 10 wards, so enough to split into a possible Portland stake, it should even be able to take a ward each from the Exeter and Bangor stakes, hopefully without diminishing their numbers too much. There are 3 wards closer to Augusta, but are assigned to the Bangor stake. This could also increase the likelihood of a temple in Augusta.
Laos, I think has a branch in the capital, but it's considered "sensitive." While not exclusively from Laos, there are a handful of Hmong congregations in the U.S., one of which meets in the same building I do. I count 3 wards (in Fresno, Minneapolis, and Sacramento) and 6 branches (in Anchorage, Fairfield, Oroville, Sacramento, Stockton, Yuba City). There is a Lao-speaking ward in Salt Lake. Based on that, there are indeed resources available should Laos open up for missionary work. I kind of skimmed this and while there doesn't seem to be any real restrictions for the Church in Laos, it appears the government requires approval for many things before any given church can implement them (including boundary changes, new congregations, building or converting places for worship, etc). For those who might be a bit more interested than I am, here's what I found:
https://www.state.gov/reports/2023-report-on-international-religious-freedom/laos/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%202015%20national,groups%20or%20did%20not%20state
I guess I missed the part where there have been many instances in the past couple of years of persecution of Christians in rural areas of Laos. That could certainly put a damper on things if a lot of people there are going to be hostile towards the Church.
DeleteProvo Utah YSA 22nd Stake (2271184) - created 13 Oct 2024
ReplyDelete- Provo YSA 30th Ward (Spanish) (2240386)
- Provo YSA 31st Ward (14966)
- Provo YSA 32nd Ward (10324)
- Provo YSA 40th Ward (227927)
- Provo YSA 41st Ward (227935)
- Provo YSA 71st Ward (Spanish) (420344)
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Pullman Washington Stake (2272776) – created 13 Oct 2024
ReplyDelete- Colfax Ward (23728)
- Pioneer Hill Ward (172898)
- Pullman YSA Ward (26484)
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Kingman Arizona North Stake (2269929) – created 29 Sept 2024
ReplyDelete- Centennial Park Ward (261645)
- Desert Willow Ward (2151405)
- Stockton Hill Ward (201324)
- White Cliffs Ward (34940)
- Dolan Springs Branch (150398)
- Peach Springs Branch (35300)
Looks like Golden Valley Branch was upgraded to a ward in the other Kingman Stake as part of this split.
DeleteMy sister in law and her husband live in Queen Creek, AZ. Their building and all the other buildings in the area have I think 4+ wards meeting in them. Twelve wards in the stake, which is apparently about to split (or maybe already did?). I don't know whether there is much net growth of Church members in Arizona, but the southeastern outskirts of the Phoenix metro area where Queen Creek is located are booming. Multiple New Church buildings have gone up in the last ~5-7 years, and it's apparently still not enough. New housing developments going up all over, all of which seem to attract lots of Latter-day Saint families. There is a massive new master planned community underway in Apache Junction, which will likely be significantly closer to the future Queen Creek temple than to the Gilbert temple.
ReplyDeleteOn analyzing South Dakota, West Virginia, and Maine, the three biggest states remaining with no temples announced (I wish the m-dash were more available on keyboards), it does seem tricky to have enough membership and units to get temples there. Population trends, work opportunities, the diminishing of agricultural workers in the rural parts of the country, all figure into it.
ReplyDeleteI had an idea years ago in Indiana to go on missionary knocking blitzes, if you will, where many of us would knock all the doors of a small town or neighborhood where the Church of Jesus Christ has barely ever been. I know of a place in the 9th Region of Chile where this worked. From it, a branch was formed in Tijeral.
Like the revolutionary way that temples are being announced, built, and dedicated across the world, I believe there are methods that we as leaders and members and emissaries of Christ can hasten/expedite the Work in many more places.
Jehovah's Witnesses are effective in many ways. I am not advocating imitating them wholesale, but borrow a few parts of what they do well. With the inspiration and motivation of priesthood, Doctrine and Covenants, the Book of Mormon, and the Bible. And God and Jesus themselves.
What Mexican states remain with no temple? Have then all been filled? Tlaxcala? I need to check. What about Brazil? Chile has 13 regions. It will be a long time to get 13 for 13 there. But I could see it, with enough faith and momentum.
Peace y'all. Good news, l hope we can share it as best as we can.
Mexico has 31 states + the capital. There are 10 without temples:
DeleteAguascalientes - Aguascalientes (2 stakes)
Baja California Sur - La Paz or Cabo San Lucas (2 stakes)
Campeche - Campeche (1 stake, possibly 1 district)
Coahuila - even though Torreon is in this state, the temple is being built in Durango state. Saltillo (3 stakes) or Monclova (3 stakes, 2 districts)
Colima - Colima (2 stakes, 2 districts)
Guanajuato - Leon or Irapuato (2 stakes, 1 district)
Guerrero - Acapulco (3 stakes, possibly 1 district)
Michoacan - Morelia (4 stakes - Lazaro Cardenas could go here or Colima, but Colima seems closer)
Nayarit - Tepic (2 stakes, 1, possibly 2 districts)
Tlaxcala - Tlaxcala (rather close proximity to Puebla)
Zacatecas - Zacatecas or Fresnillo (Zacatecas would get us a Z-named temple)
Brazil has 26 states + 1 federal district. There are 9 without temples:
DeleteAcre - Rio Branco (1 stake, possibly could take some districts in far nothern Bolivia)
Amapa - Macapa (1, possibly 2 stakes)
Maranhao - Sao Luis (2 stakes, possibly 1 district)
Mato Grosso - Cuiaba (2 stakes, 2 districts)
Mato Grosso do Sul - Campo Grande (3 stakes)
Rondonia - Porto Velho (1 stake, 1 district - could also take some districts in far nothern Bolivia)
Roraima - Boa Vista (1 stake)
Sergipe - Aracaju (2 stakes, 1 district)
Tocantins - Palmas (2 stakes)
Chile has 16 regions. There are 11 without temples:
DeleteArica and Parinacota - Arica (2 stakes). I think a temple in Tacna, Peru is more likely to be announced first.
Tarapaca - Iquique (1 stake, 1 district)
Atacama - Copiapo (1 stake, possibly 1 district)
Coquimbo - Coquimbo or La Serena (2 stakes, possibly 3 districts)
O'Higgins - Rancagua (2 stakes, possibly 2 districts)
Maule - Talca (3 stakes)
Nuble - Chillan (2 stakes + perhaps the ones in Los Angeles?)
Araucania - Temuco (3 stakes, 2 districts)
Los Rios - Valdivia (2 stakes + perhaps the ones in Osorno?)
Aysen - Coyhaique (1 district)
Magallanes - Puntas Arenas (1 stake + perhaps a stake and district in far southern Argentina)
Hopefully this helps you. I obviously don't have a keyboard for special characters, sorry about that.
If anyone is interested, the Church News, just posted an article about a meeting between the First Presidency and the Charge d'Affaires of the Embassy of the Republic of Cuba. Where dialogue has increased since the the first branch was opened in 2004.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2024/10/16/first-presidency-cuban-government-visit-salt-lake-city-utah-byu-mtc-tour/
What I was trying to say above about the lists is this.
ReplyDeleteLet us take the US as an example.
Right now fir every other country when a new temples is listed Matt lists every other temple planned or operating in the announcement post. For the US he does not.
This of course is because the Unitex States has 149 planned temples, Mexico comes in second at 26.
So at some point we might need to follow a similar pattern of not listing all the other planned temples in that country in the announcement post. At what point that would be the case is another issue.
My take on it is if I do not feel like reading Matt's list I can skip it.
Likewise we may reach a time when there are so many temples planned for Utah that it makes sense to only list others planned in the same county in the announcement post.
What that time would be I do not know. I am also thinking that outside of Utah and Salt Lake Counties. County might not be the best choice. I would say use Utah County, Salt Lake County. Northern Utah (right now it has temples planned or operational in Bountiful, Layton, Syracuse, Ogden, Brigham City, Logan and Smithfield). I am tempted to say group Deseret Peak, Heber Valley, Vernal, Price, Monticello, Manti, Ephraim, Cedar City, St. George and Red Cliffs in another category. However part of me thinks that 2-3 regions makes sense. 4 in Eastern Utah (Hrber Valley, Vernal, Price and Monticello) 3 in Central Utah (Deseret Peak, Manti, Ephraim) and 3 in Southern Utah (St. George, Red Cliffs and Cedar Coty) is 1 way to break them up.
I think Kingman getting a 2nd stake makes the Henderson Nevada Temple mord likely. Unless it makes a Kingman Stake more likely.
ReplyDeleteIt does not effect Flagstaff. Flagstaff is further than the existing Las Vegas Temple, and Kingman has parts of the stake closer to Las Vegas and further from Flagstaff.
A temple in thd general areas of Mission Hills Park in Henderson would essentially take the round-trip distance for those in Flagstaff from 4 hours to 3 hours.
2 Hmong Wards in Minneapolis-St. Paul: use to be 3. More missionaries in New England makes no since the convert baptism in New England are the lowest in the US.
ReplyDeleteI do like the idea of listing temples in Mexico and Brazil by state like we do for the US and Canada of states and provinces respectively. The church should do the same, not just you Matt.
My family and I lived in Summit, NJ 25 years ago for a few years. In the three years we were in that ward there was one convert baptism. The ward was 80% members from out west, 10% immigrant converts and less than 10% local converts. In the Morristown stake there were around 40 convert baptism a year, almost all in the Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese and Korean wards in branches. The five English speaking wards had almost no convert baptisms in the three years we were there. The newest stakes in New Jersey are not due to convert baptism of English speaking people. I looked at a unit map today and 25 years ago in Northern New Jersey there are only three new units---all different language units.
ReplyDeleteFrom Summit you can use commuter railroad and subway and be at the Manhattan temple in 35-40 minutes. Summit location will cut down on the time for those in western parts of Northern New Jersey.
Other Matt here...
DeleteI'm curious why Church membership in NJ is mainly move-ins from out West. In addition to religion, is it also a cultural thing? Local NJ Italians-Americans not fitting in to church culture which may still have a Utah approach to things?
Anonymous thank you for the breakdown of stakes and districts by states of Mexico and Brazil and regions of Chile. Very good to have that perspective, closer to how people(members or not) of those countries would think about them.
ReplyDeleteA temple in Flagstaff AZ would serve the following stakes: Page AZ, Tuba City AZ, Flagstaff AZ, Flagstaff East AZ, Winslow AZ, Cottonwood AZ, Prescott Valley AZ and Prescott AZ. Driving distances would be less for Page, Tuba City, Flagstaff, Winslow, and Cottonwood. The Phoenix Temple is about the same distance for Prescott and Prescott Valley. Holbrook is closer to Snowflake Temple. Kingman is closer to Las Vegas/Henderson. A Flagstaff Temple would serve the western Navajo Nation, the Hopi Reservation, the Yavapai Apache Nation, the San Juan Southern Paiute Tribe, and the Prescott Yavapai Tribe.
ReplyDeleteOther Matt here...
DeleteHow does a Flagstaff Temple impact the Farmington NM Temple nearing completion? Tuba City Stake has been assigned to the Farmington NM Temple.
Tuba City Stake would be the only stake currently in the Farmington NM temple district. Flagstaff is a 90 minute drive from Tuba City. Farmington is over 2 hours away. The two stakes in Flagstaff and the Winslow AZ stake are currently in the Snowflake temple district. Cottonwood and the two Prescott area stakes are currently in the Phoenix AZ temple district.
DeleteIf anyone is interested, here is a new MTC leadership called for Ghana MTC.
ReplyDeleteNew leaders called for the Ghana Missionary Training Center
They will begin their service in January 2025
https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2024/10/17/new-ghana-missionary-training-center-president-and-companion-2025/
The previously called leaders for the Ghana MTC had their assignment shifted to Kinshasa. They were mission leaders in Benin, I believe just after the Goury's. This couple the wife was born in Britain. So the Benin mission had 2 British woman mission leaders in a row both with non-British husband's.
ReplyDeleteBenin mission primary does proselytizing in French.
There used to be a member of my branch whose father had been a branch president in inner city Newark. His father observed that the branch did not grow much from year to year even though it baptized a lot of people.
ReplyDeleteWhile some of this was because if retention issues, much of it was from the fact that for various reasons people moved elsewhere. They often continued as involved members after their move. His father's summary was that the people overall were growing and proressing, it was just that you did not see all the changes in your place.
In the same way we recently baptized a family of 6 in my branch who moved away to Arkansas, but we had a brother who was recently baptized in Watertown, New York just move in as well.
My branch is majority people who were baptized as Converts in metro Detroit. Of the people who are not you have me who was raised in metro Detroit, and one of my 4 grand parents was Jewish before she joined the Church, you have another guy who was raised in metro Detroit whose parents were Converts in metro Detroit, you have a guy raised as a member in New Hampshire whose parents were Converts, you have a couple who met at BYU who were raised in Connecticut and Georgia, you have 4 couples from Utah or Idaho, and you have a couple where the husband is Samoan and Mexican from California (his wife joined the Church with her mom and about 10 in metro Detroit).
I am not sure if the Venezuelan sister joined in Venezuela, metro Detroit or somewhere else.
All my married siblings have spouses who are either Converts or have at least one parent who was a convert.
A new stake was organized in Lagos, Nigeria on Sunday Oct 20, the Lekki Stake (I think its full name is the Lagos Lekki Stake but am not certain). This involved a realignment of the Yabba, Ikotun, and Festac stakes.
ReplyDeleteLekki Nigeria Stake (2273950) - created 20 Oct 2024
ReplyDelete- Ajah Ward (1904418)
- Badore Ward (2042320)
- Ikoyi Ward (1150367)
- Lakowe Ward (2042339)
- Lekki Ward (343536)
- Sangotedo Ward (2165155)
We have a general authority who is a New Jersey convert whose wife was raised in New Jersey and a convert. That is Elder Corbitt who joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in August 1982 (he was baptized in his birthday). His wife was raised if not births in Cherry Hill, but was I believe in California when she joined the Church. She served in the Washington DC mission then came back to DC. They met on a ward YSA trip to the Washington DC Temple.
ReplyDeleteOne needs to keep in mind many cities in northeast New Jersey have very large African-American popularltions.
I had some friends who lived in Paramus, New Jersey as youths. Their mom was a California-raised Latter-day Saint, their dad was born in Puerto Rico.
I know some talk about growth in DC area bring fueled by move ins as well. Yet when I was at BYU I had a stake president from the DC area, Thomas Griffin who was then BYU general counsel and later a federal judge. He was a convert who joined the Church as a high school student. This 8s a fact I learned later not while he was my stake president.
Matt, you added the Lekki Nigeria Stake to your list today. But don't forget these changes from last week.
ReplyDelete"Posted on 10/15/2024 — NEW UNIT – The Kingman Arizona North Stake was added.
Posted on 10/15/2024 — NEW UNIT – The Pullman Washington Stake was added.
Posted on 10/15/2024 — NEW UNIT – The Provo Utah YSA 22nd Stake was added.
Posted on 10/15/2024 — DISCONTINUED UNIT – The Madera México District was removed.
Posted on 10/14/2024 — The São Paulo Brazil Guarulhos Stake became the Guarulhos Brazil Stake.
Posted on 10/14/2024 — The São Paulo Brazil Cumbica Stake became the Guarulhos Brazil Cumbica Stake.
Posted on 10/14/2024 — DISCONTINUED UNIT – The Cabo Frio Brazil District was removed.
Posted on 10/14/2024 — The Rio de Janeiro Brazil Andaraí Stake became the Rio de Janeiro Brazil Stake.
Posted on 10/14/2024 — DISCONTINUED UNIT – The Tupã Brazil District was removed."
I copied directly from Rick's Temples site Unit Changes page. As a reminder of the posts i posted here last week of the other 3 new Stakes and the 3 Districts in Brazil and Mexico that i found discontinued on the Meetinghouse site.
I couldn't find a "unit changes" page on Rick's temple site. Anyone have the url handy?
Deletehttps://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/units/
DeleteHere is my list of the 46 New Stakes (known to date) for the current 2024 year:
ReplyDeletePuerto Varas Chile 1997-03-09 (S), 2002-03-10 (Disc.), 2024-03-24 ( R )
Herriman Utah Mirabella 2024-01-14
Hyrum Utah Central 2024-01-21
Mapleton Utah East 2024-02-25
Sofokrom Ghana 2024-03-03
Tubod Philippines 1996-07-28 (D), 2024-03-10 (S)
Meridian Idaho Fuller Park 2024-03-17
Ejisu Ghana 2024-03-17
Onna Nigeria 2024-03-17
Buenos Aires Argentina Pilar 2024-04-14
Logandale Nevada West 2024-05-05
Lapu-Lapu Philippines 2024-05-19
West Jordan Utah Wasatch Meadows (Spanish) 2024-05-19
Salt Lake Utah Central (Tongan) 2024-05-19
Lilongwe Malawi 2015-03-29 (D), 2024-06-02 (S)
Eagle Mountain Utah Sweetwater 2024-06-02
Mapleton Utah Maple Canyon 2024-06-02
Washington Utah Coral Canyon 2024-06-02
Columbus Indiana 2024-06-02
Bondoyi Democratic Republic of the Congo 2024-06-09
Bulawayo Zimbabwe Masiyephambili 2024-06-09
Idaho Falls Green Valley 2024-06-09
Idaho Falls Pheasant Grove 2024-06-09
Preston Idaho East 2024-06-09
Lehi Utah 3rd Stake (Tongan) 2024-06-09
Tanna Vanuatu 2014-04-27 (D), 2024-06-16 (S)
Beira Mozambique Inhamízua 2024-06-16
Blantyre Malawi 2011-04-10 (D), 2024-06-30 (S)
Kyulu Kenya 1992-12-15 (D), 2024-07-14 (S)
Provo Utah East Bay (Spanish) 2024-08-11
Calabar Nigeria Etta Agbor 2024-08-18
Bakersfield California West 2024-09-08
Weslaco Texas 2024-09-15
Spanish Fork Utah Sunny Ridge 2024-09-15
Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Binza UPN 2024-09-15
Logan Utah YSA 8th 2024-09-15
Port Harcourt Nigeria Emuoha 2024-09-15
Madang Papua New Guinea 2012-01-25 (D), 2024-09-22 (S)
Provo Utah Married Student 4th 2024-09-29
Akure Nigeria 2018-03-18 (D), 2024-09-22 (S)
Jos Nigeria 1993-02-14 (D), 2024-09-22 (S)
San Pedro Cote d'Ivoire 2014-03-16 (D), 2024-09-22 (S)
Kingman Arizona North 2024-09-29
Provo Utah YSA 22nd 2024-10-13
Pullman Washington 2024-10-13
Lekki Nigeria 2024-10-20
sorry. that was me, Chris D., I thought I was logged in before posting.
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ReplyDeleteHow likely do you guys think it is for a temple to be announced for Onitsha, Nigeria before one for Port Harcourt?
ReplyDeleteGiven the Aba Nigeria Temple's small size relative to its large district, it's easy to believe that a temple announcement for somewhere close to Aba is forthcoming. It's also easy to see the cluster of stakes in Port Harcourt, Nigeria.
I know many of you have eyes on Port Harcourt, Nigeria. I do too. However, Onitsha is 90 miles from the temple in Aba and Port Harcourt is only 38 miles from it. There are a few stakes and districts close to Onitsha, almost all of which are >50 miles from a temple.
I'm curious to know, how likely do you guys think it is for a temple to be announced for Onitsha, Nigeria before one for Port Harcourt? And why?
I'm a bit hesitant to make further predictions for temples in Nigeria, especially given they have 5 announced temples and only 2 have site announcements and no renderings. I am curious as to why there is that much of a hold up in Nigeria, given that Aba will soon be the Church's largest temple district in terms of units (90) with the inevitable dedication of the Abidjan temple, greatly reducing the district of Accra (99). In fact, aside from their announcements, I don't really see any news about any of these temples in the past year (right after the twin site announcements of Lagos and Benin City).
DeleteThat being said, I can propose a couple of ideas for likely new temples in Nigeria. I don't want to get giddy with announcements, but with some of the distances, I think I can safely guess 4 other likely announcements (I could easily be wrong) - 3 of them I'm confident others have predicted: Ibadan, Onitsha, Port Harcourt, and Uyo. I know a lot of people would guess Enugu, but I really feel Onitsha has the greater concentration of units. Furthermore, Onitsha would be roughly the mid-point between Aba and Benin City, while Port Harcourt isn't that far away from Aba. Again, I'd feel more confident about these announcements once groundbreakings have been done for Lagos and Benin City and possibly another site location announced (probably Calabar or Eket).
I have seen several temples have been announced for cities on the fringe of what I expect a new Temple district to be rather than a more Central part of the of the new district. A Utah example will be Saratoga springs when I thought one would be in Lehi. (Although one got one announced for Lehi a few years later anyway). A recent example would be Puerto Mont Chile, instead of the more central location of Osorno. So your theory on Nigeria maybe correct. Can anyone think of any other temples that were announced in a city of little further away than I'm more central location?
ReplyDeleteActually Puerto Montt is the most centrally located town in southern Chile with the largest population and biggest airport. It is within 3 hours by car, bus, or train for everywhere from southern tip of Chile to valdivia to the north.
DeleteI feel like Lagos could be a candidate for a Mexico City-type approach, with numerous smaller temples throughout the metro area announced at the same time. I would assume this could be done after this current batch of temples in Nigeria is finished or at least well underway. There are only 9 stakes and one district in Lagos Metro right now, but given that the area is relatively underreached and the population remains very receptive, it's not an off idea that this could double in the next 10 years IMO.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is the 8 Port Harcourt stakes alone are probably more than Aba Temple can handle. Plus there is at least 1 more stake and maybe a district further from Aba it would take in.
ReplyDeleteWith Onitsha or Enugu we are dealing with a point where distance can justify a temple. I could see them both announced at the same time. The order will probably more reflect confidence a site can be found than any view on need. There is need both places at this moment.
Enugu was the base of operations for the first missionaries in Nigeria. On the other hand the first branch was in Aboh Mbaise, which I believe is between Enugu and Onitsha, so thry could just put the temple there. Mbaise, the larger area the village Aboh Mbaise is part of, has a stake now. That is the village where Anothy Obinna was.
I had begun a response to Chile before, but maybe never published. Chile has 13 regions, unless counting Easter Islands and Antartica. Numbered 1-12, but the 5th has two. Hence, thirteen.
ReplyDeleteI have lived in the 8th and the 9th, and visited the 4th, both 5ths, a little of the sixth, and more of the seventh, and tenth. So, the math of 11 without should be adjusted, per the above calculations.
I trust the Mexico and Brazil breakdowns, very good. How about Peru, Colombia, Argentina? How is DR Congo divided? How are they doing?
Something about their country: the more east our missionaries go, the wilder. Hundreds of militias. I feel like parts of southern Colombia are a bit like this.
But, the Gospel is working its way towards Rwanda and Burndi.
Any updates of Atlas numbers for countries stuck at 2019? I don't see many newer stats since 2019 outside of Africa.
Any work with Tajik or Kyrgyz? Or Kazakh or Turkmen?
Text a friend about the Lord or the scriptures. Do it. Just do it. Lengthen your stride.
This is where I got my information on regions of Chile. It says all 16 regions are on the mainland.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Chile#List_of_regions
Under "History of the regional structure"
Delete"In December 2006, two new regions were created: the northern Arica and Parinacota Region, by taking out the two northernmost provinces from the Tarapacá Region; and Los Ríos Region in the south, encompassing the provinces of Valdivia, formerly part of the Los Lagos Region, and Ranco, formerly part of Valdivia. Both regions became operative in October 2007.
In August 2017, the Ñuble Region was created from what was then the Ñuble Province of the Biobío Region. The old province was divided into three new provinces: Diguillín, Punilla and Itata. The new region's capital is Chillán. It became operational in September 2018."
You are totally right! I had seen this change, maybe 2-3 years ago, and I totally wiped it from my memory. Wow. Good job. The geography of Chile used to be easy to say: North starts I, and then XII at the bottom (two Vs in the middle). All in order. At least they kept the old numbers, to not lose the Octava and Novena, etcetera, but now the country reads, from north to south: 15, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5 (Metro), 6, 7, 16, 8, 9, 14, 10, 11, 12.
ReplyDeleteIt feels like someone dropped a bunch of random keys on the piano board, or someone threw a few wild cards and jokers into the card deck. Now I get to play the game of where I lived, served, and visited. My reality has been altered. Thanks, geography. Almost as crazy as when Canada created Nunavut, or the U.S. made Greenland a territory. And The Kuril Islands were sold to Japan and South Korea. (Rumors are good to start, huh?).
For example, I attended college in Region 16 (!!!???), as well as finished my mission there. No longer just the 8th Region... Wow, I got some re-configuring to do.
Where will the next three Chilean temples go?
Thanks again...
Greenland a US territory? Surely the Danes won't be happy to hear that again. They have already denied the sale of the frozen territory to the USA dozens of times.
DeleteSorry, no offense to the Danish, nor the Inuit who rightfully own Greenland. I was just putting some rumours out there, so I can simultaneously digest and debunk the erroneous info that I was carrying in my head about the old Chile.
ReplyDeleteThinking about the three newest regions, I see the wisdom of Chile setting up more government and services for its burgeoning economy and population.
Chileans are not too dumb. Good to see, thanks for the head's up.
I thought years ago Russia would want to make some money off land and the Kuril Islands made sense to me. In the meantime they invade Ukraine.
So, maybe they will not sell off another Alaska as they did in the past.
Which will get a temple announcement first, WV, SD, or ME?
Which is the next African country to get a temple? Which will be last? Mauritania or Sao Tome?
I notice on the meetinghouse locator that there is a new branch in Belgium. The Arlon branch in the Nancy France stake. The area used to be part of the Luxembourg Ward
ReplyDeletehttps://maps.churchofjesuschrist.org/wards/2253739
I've been waiting for a branch being created in south-eastern Belgium (either Arlon or Bastogne) for a while. The youth from that area, mainly from the two Luxembourg units, come to the Frankfurt Temple every summer. There are quite a few of them, probably 50 to 60. It sounds like the Church is growing there quite rapidly as well.
DeleteHi Matt or others, has anyone looked into the estimated number of temple recommend holders per stake over time? I'm curious because stake size has fluctuated over time, and the number of recommend holders per unit may also have fluctuated.
ReplyDeleteI ask because in 1979 there were 40 LDS stakes per temple (announced or completed), and now there are 11 stakes. But this isn't exactly a good comparison, because stakes were of a different composition back in 1979. I'd like to essentially understand how many temple recommend holders are assigned to each temple over time.
Also the average square footage of temples has changed over time. We have had an rapid increase in the number of temples since 1979. But the current range of Square footage varies from 382,207 in SLC (after renovation) to 6,800 in Colonia Juarez. What if we compare the square footage per temple in 1979 to the end of 2024?
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DeletePlease, i wonder who could share the most updated list of new Stakes created this year. 2023 ended with 3565 stakes.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair not all temples square footage is equally usable. The most obvious example us assembly rooms. However the size of the celestial room is not a direct function of work done. A Chapel will be around the size of an instruction room, but it has a small effect on ordinance capacity.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I suspect by sny measure we have more temple per temple recommend holder now than in 1979. In 197o there were no temples in Asia or Africa and only 1 in all of the Americas south of the US. Also 1 in Vanada, 1 in the US east of Utah, and there were so many other lacking points. The goal is to get people closer to the temple so they can regularly serve there. In 1979 huge numbers of members were luckily if they could go once a decade, and faithful members died that year who were never able to go. We have less gaps now, especially with announced temples. Completed temples have some large gaps still.
https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2024/10/24/nine-new-sunday-school-advisory-council-members-2024/ tells of the Sunday School general advisory council members. 3 of them are under 25. All served full-time missions. One is a native of Haiti who served as BYU student body president. 1 has been a mission president, another was the woman mission leader along with her husband.
Both Gordon B. Hinckley and G. Homer Durham served in this body just after their missions. What was then called the general board was a lot larger than than the general advisory council is now.
I suspect the Haitian brother is the first Haitian to serve on a general advisory council, but clearly not the first person who is Caribbean. Sister Browning who was in the relief society general advisory council and is now in the primary general Presidency is the daughter of Jamaican immigrants partially raised in Jamaica.
The 1st Temple president and companion just called to the Farmington New Mexico Temple today.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2024/10/24/farmington-new-mexico-temple-president-matron-lillywhite-january-2025/
Also today in Newsroom,
ReplyDelete"First Lady of Sierra Leone Visits Church Sites in Utah
Her Excellency praises the Church’s humanitarian efforts during visit"
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/first-lady-of-sierra-leone-visits-church-sites-utah-2024
President Nelson will dedicate the Deseret Peak Utah Temple. Elder Stevenson will also be there.
ReplyDeleteI have ordered Vol. 4 of Saints. I did the 1-3 days shipping through the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints store. I think that means that I should get it by Friday, Saturday of next week at the latest. I will try to hold off on reading it till I get the physical book, but I might read it online first.
Neither Amazon nor Deseret book were giving me order options.
With Farmington New Nexivo Temple having its first Temple leaders called we now have 4 temples with called leaders with no dedication dates. The other 3 all start with A. Antofagasta Temple, Auckland Temple, and the Allen's over Abijan Temple. The Allen's call was announced in summer of 2021 so almost all the others called at the same time have finished their service and gone on to other things.
The Deseret Peak will be the 40th Temple dedicated while President Nelson has been president of the Church. With 2 more this year, that will put us to an average of 6 dedicated per year. I think 2018 ended up having only 1 Temple dedicated. 2020 did as well. The last 4 years have seen over 30 temples announced a year though, so 40 temples in 7 years seems slow.
Hopefully we can see an increase of the pace for such things. I am hoping we get some more groundbreaking and even dedication dates announced this coming Monday.
Does anyone know when the saints volume 4 will be on the Gospel library app?
ReplyDeleteHas anyone heard if the church is doing anything with repurposing the temple cafeterias now that they're no longer in use?
ReplyDeleteSaints Vol. 4 is scheduled to release Pctober 29. I think that means it will be accessible on the gospel library app that day. I do not know what time of the day it will be accessible.
ReplyDeleteOn reusing temple cafeterias I have not heard anything very official. I did hear once that the Toronto Temple they were in some way expanding the Baptiste, but that was 3rd hand so I do not know.
I can say that since reopening after the roof repair Detroit Temple is over capacity in the baptistry. Today we had a large number of people show up without giving us advanced notice, and with the baptists already full. We have also gone from 4 to 5 endowment sessions on Saturday, and are essentially filling them up. Hopefully ground will be broken on Grand Rapids Temple soon, because we need more temples in Michigan.
Thanks for the remaining Mexican states without temples breakdown: Mexico has 31 states + the capital. There are 10 without temples:
ReplyDeleteAguascalientes - Aguascalientes (2 stakes)
Baja California Sur - La Paz or Cabo San Lucas (2 stakes)
Campeche - Campeche (1 stake, possibly 1 district)
Coahuila - even though Torreon is in this state, the temple is being built in Durango state. Saltillo (3 stakes) or Monclova (3 stakes, 2 districts)
Colima - Colima (2 stakes, 2 districts)
Guanajuato - Leon or Irapuato (2 stakes, 1 district)
Guerrero - Acapulco (3 stakes, possibly 1 district)
Michoacan - Morelia (4 stakes - Lazaro Cardenas could go here or Colima, but Colima seems closer)
Nayarit - Tepic (2 stakes, 1, possibly 2 districts)
Tlaxcala - Tlaxcala (rather close proximity to Puebla)
Zacatecas - Zacatecas or Fresnillo (Zacatecas would get us a Z-named temple)
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Noted that Tlaxcala is close to other temples. How many stakes or districts there? What about Zacatecas?
What of the above states are most likely to get a temple announced? I know that Michoacan and Guerrero have illicit drug gangs and activities, but so does a lot of Mexico. Zacatecas, for instance, has a lot of turf wars and problems.
Most countries have issues of security and/or faith.
This is an external problem to the growth of the Kingdom of God. But the temples are outward manifestations of our inner beliefs, powers, and authorities, of God and Jesus manifest, so these edifices will continue to break down hate, war, and failure. As they are meant to do, both collectively and individually.
Sorry, I didn't realize I forgot to add totals for the last 2. For both Tlaxcala and Zacatecas, they would probably only serve 2 stakes.
Delete- Aguascalientes - 2 hr 10 min from San Luis Potosi (upon completion)
- Cabo San Lucas - very tricky to determine, it appears the best route to Mexico City or Culiacan is by flying.
- Campeche - 2 hr 16 min from Merida
- Monclova - 3 hr 18 min from Monterrey
- Colima - 2 hr 36 min from Guadalajara
- Leon - 2 hr 2 min from Queretaro (upon completion)
- Acapulco - 3 hr 23 min from Cuernavaca (upon completion)
- Morelia - 2 hr 29 min from Queretaro (upon completion)
- Tepic - 2 hr 33 min from Guadalajara
- Tlaxcala - 35 min from Puebla
- Zacatecas - 2 hr 16 min from San Luis Potosi (upon completion)
Based on distance, I would say that Acapulco and Cabo San Lucas might be most likely. Cabo San Lucas looks like it would either have to fly to Mexico City or take a lengthy ferry to Culiacan. Acapulco looks pretty far away from a temple, even with one announced in Cuernavaca. I am surprised at the distance from Monclova to Monterrey, but I strongly believe the next temple announced that will split from Monterrey will probably be Reynosa.
Reynosa could fall under the category of other temples that are close to a border. Such as San Diego and Tijuanaz or Ciudad Juarez and El Paso, or Brazeville and Kinsasha,
DeleteI bought Saints Vol. 4, last week at the Distribution centre, maybe they were suppose to start selling it this week I don't know
ReplyDeleteWait, you have a physical copy? Hmm, that is giving me hope my ordered copy will come soon.
DeleteSaints Vol. 4 is now on the gospel library app
ReplyDeleteYeah! Apparently the distribution centre ordered 12 copies but got sent 4 and I was lucky to get one of them
ReplyDeleteNonsense
DeleteThey don't deal in such low quantities.
ReplyDeleteI made a comment the other day, but I never published it. I thought I did. Try to capture a couple things on my mind.
ReplyDeleteQuestions about Papua New Guinea: How many languages do the Church of Jesus Christ missionaries teach in? Are some of the native languages of the island[s] diminishing with globalization? Where are the missionaries who serve there come from?
What state of the U.S. grew the fastest in population during a calendar decade? According to what I recall from a Church News in the 1980s or early 90s, it was Ohio in the 1830s. When our early converts and pioneers with Joseph Smith were settling there, as well as others going to Missouri.
Uh, yeah, that hits the points. Thanks all for the interaction and sharing of ideas. I love the growth of the Restored Church of Jesus Christ. Every exciting to see. We are all part of Volume 5 now? Is that where the years will drop for our current time period? What years do Volume 4 cover?
Any cool takeaways from anyone reading it?
What will be the next country to have double digit temples? Peru?
So far, we have the U.S., Mexico, Brazil, Philippines...
Right now, Canada already has 11 Temples, with the recent announcements of Lethbridge and Victoria. Peru is sitting at 9 and there are still some places needing a Temple so that would be my choice. Eventually, I also see Argentina, Chile and Nigeria getting there. Based on growth potential, the Democratic Republic of the Congo has the potential to get there as well.
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