This morning, President Monson announced two new temples for Cedar City, Utah and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. This will bring the total number of temples worldwide to 170.
I wonder if we are going to see a pattern of 2-3 each conference, instead of 5 in October and none in April.
I am happy for the saints in Iron and surrounding counties and in the Brazil states of Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais, and Espírito Santo. A closer temple will be a great blessing for them.
It could be completed just before the Olympics go to Rio in 2016. What if...they were to get it done so the open house were to occur nearly or at the same time?
Again, this will relieve the issue of travel, Rod. Presidente Dutra is a known problem road mainly due to its age and no significant upgrades since it was built except to make it a nearly freeway-type road through the mountains between RJ and SP. It's the same distance from RJ to SP as from Provo to St. George, but takes much longer due to that.
BR-116 as Rod. Presidente Dutra is known formally, also has huge issues with truck traffic, sharp curves, and other problems all due to aforementioned age of the highway. My guess is it takes as much as eight hours or more between the two cities of Sao Paulo and Rio.
Finishing it by 2016 would be practically impossible. On average, it has been taking about 6-8 years to finish a temple from announcement to dedication, except for Brigham City, Gilbert, and Gila Valley, where the Mormon population made the approval process very easy, and even they took 3-4 years.
This reminds me of the Vancouver British Columbia Temple, which was dedicated in May 2010 (open house in April), just after the Winter Olympics concluded in February of that same year. The Rio Olympics will be held in August 2016, just over 3 years away. The temple groundbreaking will probably be at least one or two years out, with about two years to complete. At least much of the around-town infrastructure (hopefully) will be greatly improved. Together with the temple, Rio will be a world class city.
The average time from announcement to ground breaking can is approximately 3 years give or take a couple of years. From groundbreaking to dedication can take about an additional 3 years give or take a year or two. There are a few exceptions to be built much faster or take many years to build.
If the Rio de Janeiro Temple can follow the time scale of the Porto Alegre Temple, it could be completed in time for the Olympics. If it follows the time frame of any of the other five Brazil temples in operation, it would be completed too late. The average time from announcement to dedication for these 6 temples was 4.8 years.
The number of years for the time and the projected date of dedication for the Rio de Janerio Temple, if it follows the same schedules are as follows:
3.2 Porto Alegre Brazil Temple 6/23/16 3.7 São Paulo Brazil Temple 12/5/16 5.1 Manaus Brazil Temple 4/25/18 5.1 Campinas Brazil Temple 5/20/18 5.8 Curitiba Brazil Temple 1/14/19 5.9 Recife Brazil Temple 3/9/19
The Rio de Janeiro Temple will likely be under construction at the time of the Olympics, assuming it follows a time line consistent with other temples in Brazil:
Years from announcement to groundbreaking for each temple and the projected date if the Rio de Janeiro followed that time frame are:
0.6 Porto Alegre Brazil Temple 11/6/13 1.1 São Paulo Brazil Temple 4/26/14 1.1 Campinas Brazil Temple 5/4/14 1.1 Manaus Brazil Temple 5/5/14 1.8 Recife Brazil Temple 2/3/15 2.1 Fortaleza Brazil Temple 5/19/15 2.5 Curitiba Brazil Temple 10/23/15
Thus, it is a good guess that the temple will be under construction at the time of the Olympics, but it is possible, given the time frame of one temple in Brazil to be dedicated prior to the Olympics.
To clarify my above post, it took 3.2 years from announcement (30 Sept 1997) to dedication (17 December 2000) for the Porto Alegre Brazil Temple. It took 0.6 years from announcement to groundbreaking (2 May 1998) for that temple.
This is rapid for a temple, faster than that for the other 5 temples in operation in Brazil. But, it would take a similar time frame for Rio de Janerio to be completed before the Olympics.
Well, both these temples showed up on our potential temples map, so there is some accuracy in that map. Of course, pegging 20+ when you doubt it will be anywhere close to that makes it easy to suggest potential temples.
On the speed of building, if I remember correctly Porto Alegre is a smaller temple, while most temples being built now are twice its size and seem to be talking longer to build as a result.
Back in 2011 we saw three temples announced in April and 6 in October, at least if you counted Paris which was known before but officially announced then.
ldschurchtemples.com reports this, No site location has been officially announced for the Rio de Janeiro Brazil Temple, though local members indicate that property in the Barra da Tijuca neighborhood may be under consideration. Barra is a beautiful development on the Atlantic Ocean and will host most of the venues for the 2016 Summer Olympics. So it is possible that things may take even longer due to Olympic and World Cup activity.
I wonder if we are going to see a pattern of 2-3 each conference, instead of 5 in October and none in April.
ReplyDeleteI am happy for the saints in Iron and surrounding counties and in the Brazil states of Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais, and Espírito Santo. A closer temple will be a great blessing for them.
I served in Rio from 2009-2011 and have been looking forward to this day since the first day I arrived in the Marvelous City!
ReplyDeleteIt could be completed just before the Olympics go to Rio in 2016. What if...they were to get it done so the open house were to occur nearly or at the same time?
ReplyDeleteAgain, this will relieve the issue of travel, Rod. Presidente Dutra is a known problem road mainly due to its age and no significant upgrades since it was built except to make it a nearly freeway-type road through the mountains between RJ and SP. It's the same distance from RJ to SP as from Provo to St. George, but takes much longer due to that.
BR-116 as Rod. Presidente Dutra is known formally, also has huge issues with truck traffic, sharp curves, and other problems all due to aforementioned age of the highway. My guess is it takes as much as eight hours or more between the two cities of Sao Paulo and Rio.
Finishing it by 2016 would be practically impossible. On average, it has been taking about 6-8 years to finish a temple from announcement to dedication, except for Brigham City, Gilbert, and Gila Valley, where the Mormon population made the approval process very easy, and even they took 3-4 years.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds me of the Vancouver British Columbia Temple, which was dedicated in May 2010 (open house in April), just after the Winter Olympics concluded in February of that same year. The Rio Olympics will be held in August 2016, just over 3 years away. The temple groundbreaking will probably be at least one or two years out, with about two years to complete. At least much of the around-town infrastructure (hopefully) will be greatly improved. Together with the temple, Rio will be a world class city.
ReplyDeleteThe average time from announcement to ground breaking can is approximately 3 years give or take a couple of years. From groundbreaking to dedication can take about an additional 3 years give or take a year or two. There are a few exceptions to be built much faster or take many years to build.
ReplyDeleteIf the Rio de Janeiro Temple can follow the time scale of the
ReplyDeletePorto Alegre Temple, it could be completed in time for the Olympics. If it follows the time frame of any of the other five Brazil temples in operation, it would be completed too late. The average time from announcement to dedication for these 6 temples was 4.8 years.
The number of years for the time and the projected date of dedication for the Rio de Janerio Temple, if it follows the same schedules are as follows:
3.2 Porto Alegre Brazil Temple 6/23/16
3.7 São Paulo Brazil Temple 12/5/16
5.1 Manaus Brazil Temple 4/25/18
5.1 Campinas Brazil Temple 5/20/18
5.8 Curitiba Brazil Temple 1/14/19
5.9 Recife Brazil Temple 3/9/19
The Rio de Janeiro Temple will likely be under construction at the time of the Olympics, assuming it follows a time line consistent with other temples in Brazil:
Years from announcement to groundbreaking for each temple and the projected date if the Rio de Janeiro followed that time frame are:
0.6 Porto Alegre Brazil Temple 11/6/13
1.1 São Paulo Brazil Temple 4/26/14
1.1 Campinas Brazil Temple 5/4/14
1.1 Manaus Brazil Temple 5/5/14
1.8 Recife Brazil Temple 2/3/15
2.1 Fortaleza Brazil Temple 5/19/15
2.5 Curitiba Brazil Temple 10/23/15
Thus, it is a good guess that the temple will be under construction at the time of the Olympics, but it is possible, given the time frame of one temple in Brazil to be dedicated prior to the Olympics.
To clarify my above post, it took 3.2 years from announcement (30 Sept 1997) to dedication (17 December 2000) for the Porto Alegre Brazil Temple. It took 0.6 years from announcement to groundbreaking (2 May 1998) for that temple.
ReplyDeleteThis is rapid for a temple, faster than that for the other 5 temples in operation in Brazil. But, it would take a similar time frame for Rio de Janerio to be completed before the Olympics.
Well, both these temples showed up on our potential temples map, so there is some accuracy in that map. Of course, pegging 20+ when you doubt it will be anywhere close to that makes it easy to suggest potential temples.
ReplyDeleteOn the speed of building, if I remember correctly Porto Alegre is a smaller temple, while most temples being built now are twice its size and seem to be talking longer to build as a result.
Back in 2011 we saw three temples announced in April and 6 in October, at least if you counted Paris which was known before but officially announced then.
ReplyDeleteJames Anderson, the trip from Rio to São Paulo takes less than 6 hours, but it is still a long trip to go to the temple.
ReplyDeleteIt would be really nice if it is finished before the Olympics, but i find it quite difficult...
ldschurchtemples.com reports this, No site location has been officially announced for the Rio de Janeiro Brazil Temple, though local members indicate that property in the Barra da Tijuca neighborhood may be under consideration. Barra is a beautiful development on the Atlantic Ocean and will host most of the venues for the 2016 Summer Olympics. So it is possible that things may take even longer due to Olympic and World Cup activity.
ReplyDelete