After 9 months and several attempts with feedback, the Barranquilla Colombia Temple has finally been added to both the Classic LDS Maps and churchofjesuschrist.org/temples maps sites:
In addition to the 7+2 Stakes/Districts assigned to the Barranquilla Colombia Temple, according to Rick's Temples site. The Church has reassigned these 8 Stakes + 2 Districts, from the Caracas Venezuela Temple to the Barranquilla Colombia Temple, from the Venezuela Maracaibo Mission, also.
Considering the state of things in Venezuela and Colombia leaving Venezuela for a temple in Colombia may be very hard. However that does cause me to think that Maracaibo could have a temple announced.
Since President Hinckley publicly proposed a temple for Maracaibo, and since Presidents Monson and Nelson have announced temples publicly proposed during the administrations of their predecessors, a temple being announced soon for Maracaibo would not shock me, and might ultimately help the political turmoil in that nation. Just my two cents.
The millions of Venezuelans in flux among Colombia and other nations seems like a tough time for new temple plans there. But it would be sweet, like when the East Germany temple was announced.
If a temple were announced for Maracaibo this October, it would be a nice symbolic gesture but would do little practical good anytime soon because it would almost certainly not be completed for six or seven years at best. By then there might not be anyone left in Venezuela.
The naysayers said the same thing about announcing a temple in Puerto Rico after the Hurricane.
Considering how many temples were announced almost simultaneously for Mexico in 1999-2000 when temples were not being mass rolled out, I see 3 temples next conference for Nigeria (Port Hrcourt, Benin City and Abuja) as possible. Didn't President Hinckley actually announce Halifax, Montreal, Edmonton and Regina temples virtually all at the same time, if not in the same between conference announcement. Also Arizona had Gila Valley, Gilbert and Phoenix Temples all announced in the same month.
I really could see this list of temples announced in October:
Kampala Uganda Lumbumbashi DR Congo Abuja Nigeria Port Harcourt Nigeria Benin City Nigeria Kumasi Ghana Yamasoukro Ivory Coast Monrovia Liberia Freetown Sierra Leone Santa Cruz Boliva La Paz Bolivia Iquitos Peru Cali Columbia Otavalo Ecuador Sorocaba Brazil Coban Guatelama 2nd temple in El Salvador Cancun Mexico 2nd temple in Mexico City Torreon Mexico McAllen Texas Bentonville Arkansas Madison Wisconsin Heber City Utah Price Utah Herriman Utah Bakerfield California Tarrawa Kiribati Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Chris, it appears that, if Rick's temple site did note the reassignment of those Venezuelan stakes you mentioned to the Barranquilla Colombia Temple, they are now listed back in the Caracas Venezuela Temple district. Not sure why, but there must be reasons. Thanks.
Chris, I am slightly confused. In your earlier comment on that, you said, "according to Rick's temple site", these changes had been noted. But above, you said that the "lists" on that site had not been updated yet. Was your first comment referencing only the maps on that site, or something else entirely? Sorry for my confusion on this.
For ecological/catastrophic reasons I believe Vanuatu would be a better temple destination than Kiribati. Even if the temple and its grounds were reinforced and could weather the sea rise, say, in a better elevation than most locations, I think that a lot of the islanders are looking long term into moving elsewhere. Bright side: more coastal fishing? Maybe? I need to understand more of how these islands are threatened by ocean rise threats.
What's the prognosis on how fast the sea level will rise high enough to cause the Kiribati atolls to be unlivable? Are we talking 10 years? 50 years? 100 years? If it's closer to the latter, the Church might just bite the bullet and build a temple there now while the atolls are populated, then demolish it when the place becomes unlivable and uninhabited.
Jonathan, weather experts say that will occur sometime after 2100. But the Lord can control and temper the elements, as the One who chided the billows and hushed the winds in His own day. Also, because a dedicatory prayer is pronounced both at a groundbreaking and again at a dedication for each temple, I am sure the Church wouldn't be too concerned about the prospect of building a temple in Kiribati.
Jonathan, weather experts say that will occur sometime after 2100. But the Lord can control and temper the elements, as the One who chided the billows and hushed the winds in His own day. Also, because a dedicatory prayer is pronounced both at a groundbreaking and again at a dedication for each temple, I am sure the Church wouldn't be too concerned about the prospect of building a temple in Kiribati.
Keep in mind though that the Lord does allow His dedicated buildings to be subject to the elements at times, such as with the cases of Houston Texas (flood), Provo Tabernacle & Apia Samoa (fire), Bountiful & Modern Nauvoo (lightning strikes), etc.
Not to mention the ancient Hebrew Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, which was destroyed and rebuilt several times, as well as the original Nauvoo Temple, which was destroyed by fire, lightning, and a tornado, then later rebuilt in the modern era.
Jonathan, you raise some fair points. However, consider the following additional observations: The Houston Texas Temple was not fully impacted by flooding, but the damage that was done as a result of what occurred made parts of the temple unsafe and unusable, so a short renovation/restoration period was necessary. With the fire that destroyed the Provo Tabernacle, the higher purposes of the Lord in allowing that to occur enabled it to be rebuilt and repurposed as a temple.
In the case of the Apia Samoa temple, the fire that occurred was apparently due to human or systemic issues and errors that occurred while the temple was undergoing minor repairs and renovations. And with Bountiful and new Nauvoo, only parts of the temples were damaged by the lightning strikes (essentially just the angel Moroni statues and perhaps the spires), and the damage was able to be repaired without the need to do a long-term closure for either temple that would have required a rededication.
As for the original Nauvoo Temple, historians have confirmed that one major part of the damage to it was caused by enemies of the Church in the midst of the Saints' exodus from that city. And the Lord allowed the temple to be destroyed in that case because once the majority of the Saints living in that city had departed therefrom, there was not nearly as much of a need for it.
So the examples you cited are very much an exception rather than the general rule, and there were extenuating circumstances in mostly each case. There are several temples which have been built and dedicated in the last few decades in relation to which Presidents Hinckley, Monson, and Nelson and/or several of their apostolic colleagues have stated that the temples being dedicated would be the safest places for Saints to be at times when natural disasters occur. Therefore, it is likely that a Kiribati temple would fit more into the category of that parameter rather than the other circumstances you mentioned.
And even if that were not the case, with around 100 years or more before the level of water in Kiribati would pose a danger to a potential temple in Tarawa, and even with a gradual rising of the water level around Kiribati, it would likely be at least 4 or 5 decades before any such conditions would be of sufficient concern to Church leaders that would pose a danger to either a Kiritbati Temple or to any of the Saints in that nation.. So even if such an increase occurred within that time, given Kiribati's strong Church presence, I don't think the Church would be concerned about building a temple in that nation, and the dedicatory prayers during the groundbreaking and subsequent dedications would likely do quite a bit to mitigate or even reverse the imminence of any such conditions.
As for the Hebrew Temple of Solomon's day, a major factor into its' destruction was the great hold the practice of idolatry had on Solomon, and through his enforcement thereof, on the citizenry of his realm. Different scenario entirely.
Includedwith the Angel statues is a lightning rod system, so the two temples that got struck had that in place. Same goes for Oquirrh Mountain which got struck during the open house and the statue was replaced after that ended. All tmple main spires have some sort of lightning grounding, and it may well be on other places on temple structures too. Some of the newer, smaller temples just started will have a visible point that will almost certainly get hit at one time or another.
Outreach to new villages in Abia State of Nigeria continued. Texas has had a new Spanish speaking branch formed. A Samoan-speaking unit was added in the Tooelle Valley, taking the name Iosepa, the name of the former Hawaiian and south-sea islander community in Utah that ended when the people there were asked to return to Hawaii to help inagurate the Hawaiian Temple.
Peter M. Johnson, the only African-American general authority, will be presiding at my stake's stake conference in just over a week. Our stake just barely misses including where President Nelson spoke to the NAACP this summer so this seems appropriate.
Yes! Eswantini here I come...
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ReplyDeleteAfter 9 months and several attempts with feedback, the Barranquilla Colombia Temple has finally been added to both the Classic LDS Maps and churchofjesuschrist.org/temples maps sites:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/map?lang=eng&templeName=barranquilla-colombia-temple
https://classic.churchofjesuschrist.org/maps/#ll=11.016667,-74.859994&z=18&m=google.hybrid&layers=temple,stakecenter&q=Barranquilla%20Colombia%20Temple&find=temple:1795015
Unfortunately has been marked wrong location. I have again submitted Feedback with correct location. And Classic Maps has listed wrong street address.
Now Waiting for the addition of the Kinshasa DRC temple marker.
In addition to the 7+2 Stakes/Districts assigned to the Barranquilla Colombia Temple, according to Rick's Temples site. The Church has reassigned these 8 Stakes + 2 Districts, from the Caracas Venezuela Temple to the Barranquilla Colombia Temple, from the Venezuela Maracaibo Mission, also.
ReplyDeleteStakes:
Cabimas Venezuela
Ciudad Ojeda Venezuela
Maracaibo Venezuela
Maracaibo Venezuela Centro
Maracaibo Venezuela South
Maracaibo Venezuela West
Mérida Venezuela
San Francisco Venezuela
Districts
La Fria Venezuela
El Rosario Venezuela
This making a new Temple District total of 15 Stakes + 4 Districts.
Considering the state of things in Venezuela and Colombia leaving Venezuela for a temple in Colombia may be very hard. However that does cause me to think that Maracaibo could have a temple announced.
ReplyDeleteHaving a new temple announced in Venezuela in this current climate would be a major miracle and a great sign of hope.
ReplyDeleteSince President Hinckley publicly proposed a temple for Maracaibo, and since Presidents Monson and Nelson have announced temples publicly proposed during the administrations of their predecessors, a temple being announced soon for Maracaibo would not shock me, and might ultimately help the political turmoil in that nation. Just my two cents.
ReplyDeleteThe millions of Venezuelans in flux among Colombia and other nations seems like a tough time for new temple plans there. But it would be sweet, like when the East Germany temple was announced.
ReplyDeleteIf a temple were announced for Maracaibo this October, it would be a nice symbolic gesture but would do little practical good anytime soon because it would almost certainly not be completed for six or seven years at best. By then there might not be anyone left in Venezuela.
ReplyDeleteThe naysayers said the same thing about announcing a temple in Puerto Rico after the Hurricane.
ReplyDeleteConsidering how many temples were announced almost simultaneously for Mexico in 1999-2000 when temples were not being mass rolled out, I see 3 temples next conference for Nigeria (Port Hrcourt, Benin City and Abuja) as possible. Didn't President Hinckley actually announce Halifax, Montreal, Edmonton and Regina temples virtually all at the same time, if not in the same between conference announcement. Also Arizona had Gila Valley, Gilbert and Phoenix Temples all announced in the same month.
I really could see this list of temples announced in October:
Kampala Uganda
Lumbumbashi DR Congo
Abuja Nigeria
Port Harcourt Nigeria
Benin City Nigeria
Kumasi Ghana
Yamasoukro Ivory Coast
Monrovia Liberia
Freetown Sierra Leone
Santa Cruz Boliva
La Paz Bolivia
Iquitos Peru
Cali Columbia
Otavalo Ecuador
Sorocaba Brazil
Coban Guatelama
2nd temple in El Salvador
Cancun Mexico
2nd temple in Mexico City
Torreon Mexico
McAllen Texas
Bentonville Arkansas
Madison Wisconsin
Heber City Utah
Price Utah
Herriman Utah
Bakerfield California
Tarrawa Kiribati
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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ReplyDeleteTemple district boundaries don't always follow area boundaries.
ReplyDeleteChris, it appears that, if Rick's temple site did note the reassignment of those Venezuelan stakes you mentioned to the Barranquilla Colombia Temple, they are now listed back in the Caracas Venezuela Temple district. Not sure why, but there must be reasons. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteJames, Rick has not updated either Caracas Venezuela nor Barranquilla Colombia lists yet.
ReplyDeleteChris, I am slightly confused. In your earlier comment on that, you said, "according to Rick's temple site", these changes had been noted. But above, you said that the "lists" on that site had not been updated yet. Was your first comment referencing only the maps on that site, or something else entirely? Sorry for my confusion on this.
ReplyDeleteFor ecological/catastrophic reasons I believe Vanuatu would be a better temple destination than Kiribati. Even if the temple and its grounds were reinforced and could weather the sea rise, say, in a better elevation than most locations, I think that a lot of the islanders are looking long term into moving elsewhere. Bright side: more coastal fishing? Maybe?
ReplyDeleteI need to understand more of how these islands are threatened by ocean rise threats.
What's the prognosis on how fast the sea level will rise high enough to cause the Kiribati atolls to be unlivable? Are we talking 10 years? 50 years? 100 years? If it's closer to the latter, the Church might just bite the bullet and build a temple there now while the atolls are populated, then demolish it when the place becomes unlivable and uninhabited.
DeleteJonathan, weather experts say that will occur sometime after 2100. But the Lord can control and temper the elements, as the One who chided the billows and hushed the winds in His own day. Also, because a dedicatory prayer is pronounced both at a groundbreaking and again at a dedication for each temple, I am sure the Church wouldn't be too concerned about the prospect of building a temple in Kiribati.
DeleteJonathan, weather experts say that will occur sometime after 2100. But the Lord can control and temper the elements, as the One who chided the billows and hushed the winds in His own day. Also, because a dedicatory prayer is pronounced both at a groundbreaking and again at a dedication for each temple, I am sure the Church wouldn't be too concerned about the prospect of building a temple in Kiribati.
DeleteTrue, James.
DeleteKeep in mind though that the Lord does allow His dedicated buildings to be subject to the elements at times, such as with the cases of Houston Texas (flood), Provo Tabernacle & Apia Samoa (fire), Bountiful & Modern Nauvoo (lightning strikes), etc.
Not to mention the ancient Hebrew Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, which was destroyed and rebuilt several times, as well as the original Nauvoo Temple, which was destroyed by fire, lightning, and a tornado, then later rebuilt in the modern era.
DeleteJonathan, you raise some fair points. However, consider the following additional observations: The Houston Texas Temple was not fully impacted by flooding, but the damage that was done as a result of what occurred made parts of the temple unsafe and unusable, so a short renovation/restoration period was necessary. With the fire that destroyed the Provo Tabernacle, the higher purposes of the Lord in allowing that to occur enabled it to be rebuilt and repurposed as a temple.
ReplyDeleteIn the case of the Apia Samoa temple, the fire that occurred was apparently due to human or systemic issues and errors that occurred while the temple was undergoing minor repairs and renovations. And with Bountiful and new Nauvoo, only parts of the temples were damaged by the lightning strikes (essentially just the angel Moroni statues and perhaps the spires), and the damage was able to be repaired without the need to do a long-term closure for either temple that would have required a rededication.
As for the original Nauvoo Temple, historians have confirmed that one major part of the damage to it was caused by enemies of the Church in the midst of the Saints' exodus from that city. And the Lord allowed the temple to be destroyed in that case because once the majority of the Saints living in that city had departed therefrom, there was not nearly as much of a need for it.
So the examples you cited are very much an exception rather than the general rule, and there were extenuating circumstances in mostly each case. There are several temples which have been built and dedicated in the last few decades in relation to which Presidents Hinckley, Monson, and Nelson and/or several of their apostolic colleagues have stated that the temples being dedicated would be the safest places for Saints to be at times when natural disasters occur. Therefore, it is likely that a Kiribati temple would fit more into the category of that parameter rather than the other circumstances you mentioned.
And even if that were not the case, with around 100 years or more before the level of water in Kiribati would pose a danger to a potential temple in Tarawa, and even with a gradual rising of the water level around Kiribati, it would likely be at least 4 or 5 decades before any such conditions would be of sufficient concern to Church leaders that would pose a danger to either a Kiritbati Temple or to any of the Saints in that nation.. So even if such an increase occurred within that time, given Kiribati's strong Church presence, I don't think the Church would be concerned about building a temple in that nation, and the dedicatory prayers during the groundbreaking and subsequent dedications would likely do quite a bit to mitigate or even reverse the imminence of any such conditions.
As for the Hebrew Temple of Solomon's day, a major factor into its' destruction was the great hold the practice of idolatry had on Solomon, and through his enforcement thereof, on the citizenry of his realm. Different scenario entirely.
ReplyDeleteIncludedwith the Angel statues is a lightning rod system, so the two temples that got struck had that in place. Same goes for Oquirrh Mountain which got struck during the open house and the statue was replaced after that ended. All tmple main spires have some sort of lightning grounding, and it may well be on other places on temple structures too. Some of the newer, smaller temples just started will have a visible point that will almost certainly get hit at one time or another.
ReplyDeleteGood points, James & James. :)
ReplyDeleteOutreach to new villages in Abia State of Nigeria continued. Texas has had a new Spanish speaking branch formed. A Samoan-speaking unit was added in the Tooelle Valley, taking the name Iosepa, the name of the former Hawaiian and south-sea islander community in Utah that ended when the people there were asked to return to Hawaii to help inagurate the Hawaiian Temple.
ReplyDeletePeter M. Johnson, the only African-American general authority, will be presiding at my stake's stake conference in just over a week. Our stake just barely misses including where President Nelson spoke to the NAACP this summer so this seems appropriate.