Tuesday, February 23, 2016

New Stakes Created in Brazil, Guatemala, and Texas; New District Created in Kiribati; District Discontinued in Colombia

The Church organized a new stake in Goias State, Brazil on January 31st. The Rio Verde Brazil Stake was organized from the Rio Verde Brazil District and the Brazil Goiana Mission. The new stake includes the following five wards and one branch: the Bandeirantes, Itumbiara, Jataí, Morada do Sol, and Rio Verde Wards and the Popular Branch. The original Rio Verde Brazil District was organized in 1997. There are now six stakes in Goias State.

There are now 258 stakes and 38 districts in Brazil.

The Church organized a new stake in the Guatemala City metropolitan area on January 21st. The Linda Vista Guatemala Stake was organized from a division of the Amatitlán Guatemala Stake and the Villa Nueva Guatemala Stake. The new stake includes the following five wards: the Alamedas, Eterna Primavera, Linda Vista, Naciones, and Sonora Ward. There are now 21 stakes in the Guatemala City metropolitan area.

There are now 45 stakes and 16 districts in Guatemala.

The Church organized a new stake in the Dallas area on February 7th. The Irving Texas Stake was organized from a division of the Dallas Texas Stake and the Carrollton Texas Stakes. The new stake includes the following six wards: the Dallas 6th, Grand Prairie 1st, Grand Prairie 2nd, Irving, Pioneer (Spanish), and Shady Grove (Spanish) Wards. There are now 19 stakes in the Dallas metropolitan area.

There are now 68 stakes and three districts in Texas.

The Church organized a second district in the Micronesian nation of Kiribati. The Tarawa Kiribati North District was organized from a division of the Tarawa Kiribati East Stake. There are six branches in the new district: the Abaokoro, Abatoa, Buota, Tearinibai, Temaiku 1st, and Temaiku 2nd Branches - two of which were organized since the beginning of the year. Senior missionaries serving on Tarawa have reported over the past year or two plans to organize the district in an effort to ultimately establish a third stake on Tarawa Atoll. Significant progress has been noted on North Tarawa Atoll and this progress has played a vital role in the establishment of the new district.

The Church in Kiribati has good promise for a temple one day to service the Micronesian subregion of Oceania. Church-reported membership accounts for approximately 16% of the national population - a remarkable feat since no LDS presence operated on the islands prior to 1975. The most rapid growth in Kiribati within the past decade has occurred on remote Kiritmati (Christmas) Island where a district was established in 2014. The Marshall Islands Majuro Mission, organized in 2006, has aggressively opened several previously unreached islands in Kiribati during the past five years. Some islands have had as many as three member groups established such as Nonouti Island. However, the Church in Kiribati experiences one of the lowest member activity rates in Oceania. The average ward or branch has 646 members on its rolls - significantly more than the approximately 50-150 active members in most congregations.

The Church recently discontinued the Barrancabermeja Colombia District. All three branches in the former district have been reassigned to the Colombia Bogota North Mission. The district was likely discontinued due to no realistic prospects for the district to organize additional branches and become a stake within the foreseeable future. A shortage of local leadership manpower may have also influenced this decision.


Eduardo Clinch said...

Texas is a big fascinating place for the church. If another university were to get going being owned by private members it should go there.
I wonder if the loss of oil jobs due to cheap prices has affected many members there. I knew of some less active LDS who went to North Dakota for the energy sector there.
Note about the Isle of Man: a friend from Toledo, Ohio, who served in Scotland and I think he was assigned there. Perhaps it switched missions over the years.

Last thought: how many Venezuela stakes will end up attending the new Colombia temple?

Ryan Searcy said...

For the Venezuela Stakes, most likely just the Maracaibo and San Critobal areas. I don't think the Merida area would be affected, though Punto Fijo might, which also makes the ABC Islands under consideration.

Ryan Searcy said...

Is it too early for temple predictions?

This is not my full list, but these, I feel, are the most likely to be announced.

Benin City, Nigeria (14,7)
Harare, Zimbabwe (13,12)
Nairobi, Kenya (3,6)
Praia, Cape Verde (3,2)

Cagayan de Oro, Philippines (12,17)
Osaka, Japan (9,2)

Culiacan, Mexico (9,4)
Managua, Nicaragua (9,6)
Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago (1,5)
Puebla, Mexico (13,1)
Queretaro, Mexico (13,1)
San Pedro Sula, Honduras (11,2)
Torreon, Mexico (9,3)

Budapest, Hungary/Vienna, Austria (4,9)

Austin, Texas (7,0)
Bentonville, Arkansas (12,0)
Butte, Montana/Missoula, Montana (8,0) - 8th stake depends on location
Colorado Springs (8,0)
Jacksonville, Florida (12,0)
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (9,0)
Pocatello, Idaho (22,0)
Salem, Oregon (11,0)
Tacoma, Washington (17,0)

Auckland, New Zealand (12,0)
Palikir, Micronesia (5,5)
Port Moresby Micronesia (2,11)
Port Vila, Vanuatu (2,4)
Wellington, New Zealand (7,2)

Antofagasta, Chile (7,1)
Belem, Brazil (10,2)
Brasilia, Brazil (14,3)
Cali, Colombia (6,7)
La Paz, Bolivia (9,3)
Maracaibo, Venezuela (14,4)
Neuquen, Argentina (8,5)
Quito, Ecuador (12,1)
Santa Cruz, Bolivia (12,4)
Salvador, Brazil (13,2)

Ryan Searcy said...

Oh, I don't want to forget Toole, Utah (13,1)

TempleRick said...

On the page for the live broadcast of the Barranquilla Colombia Temple groundbreaking ceremony, it says that the satellite signal would only be transmitted to units belonging to the temple district. It then lists several stakes and districts in Colombia but none in Venezuela. I wonder if the Venezuelan units have been removed.

BryceisBibleMan said...

Missoule Montana has had a lot of talk about getting a temple soon. They hasent been any for Butte mountain, Helena has had some talk for a temple in the past.

Mike Johnson said...

>>>Bentonville, Arkansas (12,0)

Only if you want to add between a half hour and an hour to the temple for the Tulsa, St. Robert, and West Plains stake.

Ryan Searcy said...

These are very rough figures, and sometimes generous. I did this by estimating. For Bentonville, it is obvious St Roberts would be closer to St. Louis, so that is not one. West Plains, and the 3 Tulsa area stakes might be either or. If I were to be very specific, Bentonville would have at least 8 stakes.

Eduardo Clinch said...

Our Ashburn Stake currently has like 52 missionaries out around the world. Any feel for other stake stats from others?
Is there a way to get numbers of elders and sisters from foreign countries?
I recently communicated to my Chilean trainer and last companion, also from Chile. It was sweet.

Eduardo Clinch said...

Our Ashburn Stake currently has like 52 missionaries out around the world. Any feel for other stake stats from others?
Is there a way to get numbers of elders and sisters from foreign countries?
I recently communicated to my Chilean trainer and last companion, also from Chile. It was sweet.

Mike Johnson said...

Fredericksburg Stake has 51 missionaries out right now.

Mike Johnson said...

White Plains and Tulsa are still a half hour closer to their respective temples than to Bentonville. Of course, some wards might be closer.

Do you really think that 7 of the 14 stakes in the Oklahoma City Temple District would be taken from that temple? I doubt any of the Tulsa stakes would go as most would still have to drive further and the impact on Oklahoma City would be very significant.

Some of the wards in the Tulsa East Stake might go to Bentonville. But even Bartlesville is closer according to google maps to Oklahoma City. I think 7 stakes would go to Bentonvillle--4 in Arkansas and 3 in Missouri.

Ryan Searcy said...

Sometimes, travel time might not be a factor in assignment. For instance, places like Aruba, Trinidad, Guyana, etc. are much closer to Caracas, but are assigned to Santo Domingo. Cape Verde is closer to Accra than Madrid. Places as far south as Luanda are closer to Aba than Johannesburg. In addition, much of Layton and Orem are closer to a temple they are not assigned to. There is a stake just down the street from Oquirrh Mountain, yet that stake is assigned to Jordan River.

If we were to go strictly on travel time, we might only look at 8 stakes for Bentonville - 4 in Arkansas, 4 in Missouri (you might be missing Monett).

Michael said...

I live in the Tulsa East Stake. From my house, it is 112 miles to the Bentonville mission office (arbitrary location, not knowing exactly where a NW Ark temple would be built), and 134 miles to the OKC temple. Also, I-44 between Tulsa and OKC, and the turnpike on the north side of the OKC metro area, are toll highways, whereas there are no tolls going east to Arkansas. I would save about $10 in tolls per temple trip to NW Ark instead of OKC. I live in Broken Arrow which is where the large population base of the Tulsa East stake is located. Our stake is quite large geographically, and some of the rural wards (Henryetta, McAlester) would be closer to OKC, while some (Muskogee, Tahlequah, Pryor) would be closer to NW Ark. I could see the Tulsa and Bartlesville stakes remaining in the OKC district, and the Tulsa East stake going to NW Ark.

In short, I would prefer to go to NW Ark, but I will go where I am asked to go. Would be grateful to have both!

Bryan Baird said...

I also think Richmond Virginia is a likely place for a temple

Chapman117 said...

I could see a Layton/clearfield temple in the future. Or possibly a Morgan valley temple with a smaller district.

John Pack Lambert said...

I know in the Detroit Temple District the London Ontario Stake, the Kalamazoo Michigan Stake and the Toledo Ohio Stake are all funtionally split between two temples, no matter what their official status is. Actually none of those are in the Detroit Temple District. However at least Toledo has been in the past. I have met people connected with youth groups come to do baptisms at the Detroit Temple from the Kalamazoo Stake, yet have known other people in the Kalamazoo Stake assigned as temple workers in the Chicago Temple. The number of Ontario license plates I see at the temple suggests to me there are people coming from the London Stake. It probably helps that some people who live in Windsor, Ontario work in the Detroit area in Michigan. The travel time from Windsor to the temple might be only 30 minutes under the right conditions, definately under an hour, but it is over 3 hours to the Toronto Temple. However from London, Ontario itself the travel time is about equal to either temple. In Sarnia the travel time is maybe an hour 10 minutes to an hour and a half to Detroit verses 2 and a half hours or so to Toronto. However crossing international boarders is always more of a hassle. I knew of cases of people saying they were going to do "temple work" when we were assigned to Tortonto before we got a temple in Detroit causing long delays because they used the red-flag raising word work. Others faced trouble especially non-US citizens, or even US citizens born to American military personnell abroad.

So there is always reason to not assign across international borders. Ease at crossing various borders, ease and frequency of regular travel and related issues might dictate the temple assignments in cases like Angola and Santo Domingo. Another issue is how well equiped temples like Aba Nigeria or Caracas Venesuela are to handle the languages represented by temple goers from various locations. As the temple for the Caribbean, I am guessing the Santo Domingo Temple is equipped to handle Dutch, English and French speakers as well as Spanish, but such non-Spanish speakers might find going to Caracas harder. Johannesburg would get the Portuguese speakers from Mozambique, so those coming from Luanda would also be in a situation to be brought in.

Beyond that, I know in the case of DR Congo people travel both to Accra and to Johannesburg, in part because at times Ghana makes it easier for people to come there than South Africa. South Africa fears people from countries like the DR Congo will overstay short-term visas, and so is reticent to issue them, especially to poor people. South Africa also has a large number of undocumented immigrants from Zimbabwe, making them want to place more control on immigration from there. That factor alone might increase the chances of a temple in Zimbabwe.

In the cases of Utah Temples, the actual travel times are so short to any temple, that staffing and attedance issues, seeking to balance these out, generally trump disttance issues, at least in the core Urban areas from the Payson to the Brigham City Temple.

John Pack Lambert said...

I am thinking the next temple announced for Utah will either be Tooelle or Lehi/Saratoga Springs. Tooelle area has seen significant growth in number of stakes recently, and it is a ways to Salt Lake Temple, which also has a good sized district. Depending on exact placement and other issues, maybe even Magna could be put in that new Temple district.

Lehi/Saratoga Springs/Eagle Mountain have had a huge level of Church growth, as has Herriman just north of the county line. It is highly probably a few more stakes will be created in that area this year.

I think however overall for this next conference the top contender temples are probably Harare, Zimbabwe and Brazilia, Brazil. I believe Campinas Temple has the largest district outside the US, and even with the building of a temple in Rio will still have lots and lots of stakes. The recent organization of a stake in Goiania State shows the Church is progressing in the region around Brasilia.

Ray said...

I just learned that there will be a new ward created in the Moroni Utah Stake this Sunday, either with a split of the Sanpitch Ward or a new ward created from the two existing Moroni Wards.

Dave said...

I don't know whether building a new temple in Northwest Arkansas is one of the wisest priorities for the church or not, but locating a temple there would cut my commute in half. From Branson, Missouri it takes a little more than 4 hours to get to The Kansas City Temple.

A temple in Bentonville, Springdale, or Fort Smith Arkansas would save me about 4 hours a day. This is a growth area for the church. In the last couple of years new stakes have been organized in Bentonville and Monett, Missouri. My stake, Springfield South is almost splittable as well.

Even a temple in Tulsa would be better.

Ryan Searcy said...

LDSChurchTemples suggests the Durban South Africa Temple is located to the north of the city in Umhlanga.

Ryan Searcy said...

The Durban South Africa Temple will be located in northern Umhlanga.

Gnesileah said...

According to a missionary who served in Missoula, Montana, the Church has acquired property for a temple in nearby Frenchtown, although a search of county records doesn't validate this.

Ryan Searcy said...

I found a plot of land owned by the Church that is not a chapel in the mountains 2 miles outside of Frenchtown. Maybe that's the property? It seems like an odd place to build a temple. Not to be confused with the chapel on the same road, but actually in town.


Ryan Searcy said...

It could also be a mix up because the chapel is not listed on the site (unless it's only for recent purchases), and the address is incorrect. The property is listed as 16605 Mill Creek Rd, while the chapel is 16044 Mill Creek Rd.

Mike Johnson said...

The Frenchtown Ward chapel s not at 16044 Mill Creek Road, but at 16044 Frenchtown Frontage Rd. 16605 Mill Creek Road may be a camp.

As for the Durban temple, it does make sense for it to be built in a growing suburb as opposed to a in a park in downtown.

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Alex said...

I'm not sure a temple in Zimbabwe will happen this conference specifically because the Kishasaa and Durban temples are both splitting good sized chunks off the Johannesburg temple district, and I don't see the Johannesburg temple being so busy that I could justify a 4-way split with my revelation-less eyes. I can see it happening in the near future (shortly after at least one currently announced temple gets dedicated), but I'd be a bit surprised if it happened this conference. Instead, I think the next Africa temple, and one of about 4 temples I think will get announced this conference, is going to be in Nigeria, splitting the only African temple district with no temples announced to split the district. My prediction is for Benin City.

I agree with previous posters on this thread that Richmond, Virginia; northern Utah county; and Brasilia, Brazil are very likely sites for next conference (those 4 sites are my picks), and Bentonville, Arkansas and Managua, Nicaragua are my alternate picks.

That said, I really don't see a 2nd Montana temple happening for a while. Temple sites can be bought long before a temple happens (evidence: no word of that Southwest Salt Lake Valley temple Pres. Hinckley mentioned as "site acquired" back in 2005). In the meantime, the stake growth is really stagnant in the area (between the Spokane Washington, Cardston Alberta, and Billings Montana temples, no new stakes have been created since 2001), and none of the nearby temples have very heavy stake loads (Spokane and the huge Cardston temples have 14 stakes each, and Billings only has 11). In fact, I would predict that in addition to the above, temples in Pocatello, Idaho; Layton area, Utah; Mexico; Belem and Salvador (maybe even Belo Horizonte), Brazil; Cape Verde; Cagayan de Oro, Philippines; Kenya; India; and Quito, Ecuador happening before Montana gets temple #2, and even then the area would need significantly better growth for me to call it before a long list of other dark horses.

mrcuff said...

We are blessed to live in a time of tremendous Church growth as we surmise about when and where a new Temple will be built. When I got married, there were only 16 temples worldwide. My future wife and I had to travel about 2000 miles from West Virginia to Provo to get married. What a great time in which to live.

Ryan Searcy said...

The chapel in Frenchtown is listed on LDS.org as on Mill Creek Rd, and is definitely a chapel.

David Todd said...

In response to the comment about the Kalamazoo Stake being split between the Detroit and Chicago temples, I can verify this. One of the areas I served my mission in was in the Kalamazoo Stake. Although the assigned temple district is Chicago, many of the wards and branches go to Detroit. As for the ward I was serving in, they attended both occasionally, because there were several members who had different reasons to go to each. In fact, there were temple workers in the ward assigned to each temple.

Mike Johnson said...

>>>The chapel in Frenchtown is listed on LDS.org as on Mill Creek Rd, and is definitely a chapel.

There is nothing on Google maps at 16044 Mill Creek Road which is up the canyon and no room for a chapel. On the other hand, LDS maps gives the address of the Frenchtown Ward as 16044 Frenchtown Frontage Rd and google maps definitely shows an LDS chapel there.


16605 Mill Creek Road is five miles beyond 16044 Mill Creek Road up the canyon and over a pass. It looks like a camping area. I doubt very much a temple would be going in there.

Mike Johnson said...

I have been trying to figure out where on LDS.org the chapel is listed as being on Mill Creek Road. Both the new and the old versions of the meetinghouse locator on LDS.org (LDS maps) definitely list the address as on Frenchtown Frontage Road.

Ryan Searcy said...

Now its showing up as Frenchtown Frontage. Earlier it was showing Mill Creek with the same numbers. The chapel in either case is at the junction of both roads.

Eduardo Clinch said...

Richmond as a temple location is interesting because it gives better access to the Hampton Roads cities, which is formidable in population, large parts of Appalachia, SVU and southern Virginia in general. The I-95 gets congested south of DC and can help Fredericksburg and other growing areas like Prince William and Fauquier counties avoid the DC beltway. I wonder if the DC temple traffic will drop much with Philly dedicated this fall.

Eduardo Clinch said...

Richmond as a temple location is interesting because it gives better access to the Hampton Roads cities, which is formidable in population, large parts of Appalachia, SVU and southern Virginia in general. The I-95 gets congested south of DC and can help Fredericksburg and other growing areas like Prince William and Fauquier counties avoid the DC beltway. I wonder if the DC temple traffic will drop much with Philly dedicated this fall.

Downtownchrisbrown said...

When I lived in Windsor, ON, I would travel to the Detroit temple. It was much faster, even if it was slow crossing the bridge. We were assigned to the Toronto temple, but only went there for Stake temple trips. Even our branch temple trips and youth baptism trips were at the Detroit temple.

John Pack Lambert said...

My stake the Bloomfield Hills Michigan Stake has 20 missionaries serving from it.

Joseph said...

Unit Update

14 Feb
Ibo Town Branch, Kossoh Town Sierra Leone District (B:6)
Bolgatanga Branch, Tamale Ghana District (B:5)
Lungi Branch, Kissy Sierra Leone District (B:9)
Upgun Branch, Kissy Sierra Leone District (B:9)

21 Feb
Linda Vista Guatemala Stake (W:5)
Alamedas Ward
Eterna Primavera Ward
Linda Vista Ward
Naciones Ward
Sonora Ward

Etwatwa 2nd Branch, Benoni South Africa Stake (B:7, W:7)
Ixmiquilpan 2nd Branch, Tezontepec México Stake (B:2, W:7)
Kingsley Park Ward, Meridian Idaho Paramount Stake (B:1, W:11)
Kuwadzana 3rd Branch, Harare Zimbabwe Marimba Park Stake (B:2, W:6)
La Ensenada Ward, Lima Perú Prolima Stake (W:6)
Linda Vista Ward, Roswell New Mexico Stake (B:4, W:8)
Loving's Bend Ward, Roswell New Mexico Stake (B:4, W:8)
Obuasi 4th Branch, Obuasi Ghana District (B:5)
Provo YSA 221st Ward (Tongan), Provo Utah YSA 15th Stake (W:11)
San Tan Valley YSA Ward, Gilbert Arizona YSA Stake (W:8)
Songdo Branch (English), Seoul Korea Military District (B:7)
Spring Creek 22nd Branch, Springville Utah West Stake (B:1, W:7)
Valle de Huinala Ward, Apodaca México Stake (W:8)

YTD 95(11/week*7) +18 - Total 34,257(+12)
Africa 24, 22.1% (+7) - Total 1795 (+7)
Asia 2, 1.3% (+2) - Total 933 (+1)
America Central 5, 2.6% (+3) - Total 3926 (+3)
America North 40, 48.1% (+3) - Total 9359 (+3)
America South 5, 5.2% (+1) - Total 6339 (-3)
Europe 1, 1.3% (0) - Total 1712 (0)
Pacific 4, 5.2% (0) - Total 2733 (-1)
Utah & Idaho 14(10), 14.3(10.4)% (+3) - Total 6920(5708)(+2)

Totals no-sensitive (Net +13)
Areas Temples Miss Stakes Dist Wards Branch Totals
Global 25 149 418 3,184 542 22,615 7,349 34,282
Us/Can 10 81 131 1,605 10 12,606 2,057 16,500
US n/a 73 124 1,557 7 12,269 1,908 15,938
Utah n/a 15 10 579 1 4,711 324 5,640
Canada n/a 8 7 48 3 337 149 552
Out 15 68 287 1,579 532 10,009 5,292 17,782

James said...

It's interesting people are posting their temple predictions already. I just did a blog post on my blog about the progress the Church has made with the "backlog" of temples, that there might be more temples announced next conference, and that I could feasibly see the Church having 200 temples by or before the 200th birthday of the Church on April 6, 2030. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Only 37 new temples need to be announced to bring the number to 200. In the meantime, the Church could see as many as 154 operating temples by the end of 2016, with 160 or more by the end of 2017, and the temple backlog reduced substantially this year. My work supervisor and I did the math. 37 temples being announced and completed by 2030 would be a real possibility. I also make mention of the lack of work that has been done on the Fortaleza Brazil temple in the 5 years since it's had its groundbreaking and said that perhaps in light of the local opposition that is preventing it from getting past the groundbreaking, especially with another Brazil temple having been announced and getting close to its near future groundbreaking, the Church might be rethinking the temple in Fortaleza and replace it with two temples an equal distance away from Fortaleza. I'm not up on my Brazilian geography, but it could be that any of the two or three sites predicted by Ryan will be spot on. I also think that Layton and Lehi are definitely the next two Utah towns to get a temple. I will add to that one for Orem, Utah because I live there now and would love to have a temple more convenient than either the Provo, Provo City Center, or Mount Timpanogos Temples. I also worked at the Mount Timpanogos Temple for six years and saw the faithfulness of the Saints in the Mount Timpanogos Temple district, many of whom come there from Orem. I believe we will see the day when one is in Orem as well. I have to say that, from Ryan's picks, I especially think it likely that temples will be announced in the near future for the following temples to be announced in the near future. I should add that in relation to if the Church will set a goal for 200 temples by the bicentennial celebration in 2030, if all these temples I picked are announced before 2030, we will be 2 temples over that 200 goal. These are in no particular order, but I listed the first ones as being publicly proposed temples that apostles have discussed publicly.
1. New Dehli India (proposed in 1992 by Elder Neal A. Maxwell)
2. Vilnius Lithuania Temple (proposed in 1993 by Elder M. Russell Ballard)
3. Nairobi Kenya Temple (proposed in 1998 by President Gordon B. Hinckley)
4. Maracaibo Venezuela Temple (proposed in 1999 by President Gordon B. Hinckley)
5. Singapore Temple (proposed in 2000 by President Gordon B. Hinckley)
6. Southwest Salt Lake Valley Temple (proposed in 2005 by President Gordon B. Hinckley)
7. Managua Nicaragua Temple (proposed in 2012 by Elder Russell M. Nelson)
8. Kasai Region Democratic Republic of the Congo (proposed in 2016 by Elder Neil L. Andersen)
9. Lehi Utah
10. Toole, Utah
11. Pocatello, Idaho
12. Tacoma, Washington
13. Benin City, Nigeria
14. Maracaibo, Venezuela
15. Brasilia, Brazil
16. Salvador Brazil
17. Harare, Zimbabwe
18. Puebla, Mexico
19. Queretaro, Mexico
20. Cagayan de Oro, Philippines
21. Santa Cruz, Bolivia
22. Quito, Ecuador
23. Auckland, New Zealand
24. Bentonville, Arkansas
25. Jacksonville, Florida
26. San Pedro Sula, Honduras
27. Salem, Oregon
28. Belem, Brazil
29. Budapest, Hungary/Vienna, Austria
I think the Church can do it, don't you?

Eduardo Clinch said...

You repeated Maracaibo in your list. Southern Argentina and northern Chile could use temples for geographic purposes. Maybe another in Alaska by 2025? Nine more years of growth...
Some have mentioned Pittsburgh lately. How about more in Africa, or Papua New Guinea? Madagascar?

Eduardo Clinch said...

You repeated Maracaibo in your list. Southern Argentina and northern Chile could use temples for geographic purposes. Maybe another in Alaska by 2025? Nine more years of growth...
Some have mentioned Pittsburgh lately. How about more in Africa, or Papua New Guinea? Madagascar?

John Pack Lambert said...

I would think in the case of Forteleza, if they can not get permission to build on the chosen site, they will find another site in or near the city, similar to what occured with the Nashville Temple, although that was before ground breaking. The only temple relocated after ground breaking was the Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple, and that related to heated opposition to it being built by the Catholic Cathedral in the city.

It is hard to predict 14 years out. I suspect the Church will have at least 200 temples by the end of 2030. I would not only Benin City but Lagos to have a temple by then as well. I hope not just one in Kenya but also one in Uganda. It is hard to predict the growth trajectory that far in the future. With the 3 new branches in Sierra Leone over the last few weeks, I expect a temple in Freetown by 2030, how much sooner I have no clue.

I expect Not just Benin City but also Lagos to have a temple by then. I could see Kumasi, Ghana getting a temple as well. I could see a temple in Togo or Benin if they can continue close to the levels of growth seen in the past as the Church expands.

One temple not in James list that I am almost 100% sure we will see by 2030 is one in Cape Verde. I also hope Mozambique will have a temple by then. Madagascar is also a potential candidate. I also hope to see temples in San Juan, Puerto Rico and Port of Spain, Trinidad by then.

I hope Scotland can have a temple by then as well. I think Norway is a potential contender for a small temple by then.

I suspect we will see at least one more temple in Arizona by 2030. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Richmond, Virginia and somewhere in either New Hampshire or Maine will probably have a temple by then. I also think that by 2030 there will be a temple in Whichita, Kansas and one in the eastern part of Wyoming as well as a second temple in Montana.

I think by 2030 there will be a Cincinatti Temple. I also am hoping by then there will be a Jackson, Mississippi Temple, although that will take major church growth that we have not seen in Mississippi.

In Texas I think by then there will be an El Paso Temple, an Austin Temple, and a McAllen Temple. Possibly also a Fort Worth, Temple, a second temple in the Dallas Area, and quite probably somewhere in East Texas, possibly Gilmer, Texas or actually located at Enoch, Texas, which began as a Mormon colony over 100 years ago.

I see a temple being built in southern Colorado, probably in the San Luis Valley. By 2030 not only will Orem, Lehi, Layton, Tooele and the south-west Salt Lake Valley all have temples, but I would expect one in West Valley City as well. I could see Morgan, Utah having a temple by then. Probably Price, Utah as well and maybe even Heber City.

John Pack Lambert said...

Besides Brazilia, Salvador and Belem in Brazil, I see at least one temple being built somewhere like Belo Horizante by 2016. Also probably a temple somewhere between the Sao Paulo Temple and the Curitiba Temple.

In Mexico I expect Torreon to have a temple by then as well. I am hopeful that by 2030 there will be 3 temples in Bolivia, with the 3rd in La Paz.

It is hard to extrapolate a temple in California with the Church if anything loosing members of late. However I think various factors will lead to there being one in Bakersfield by 2030 as well as one in the eastern part of LA County.

I have to concur with Eduardo that Argentina and Chile will each see at least one more temple. However I think Argentina will see 2 more, one in the south and one in Mendoza. I think Chile will see an additional temple south of Concepcion, as well as one in Vina del Mar to relieve pressure on Santiago.

I think Peru will see either a major expansion of the existing Lima Temple or an additional temple in the Lima area. I also think by 2030 there will be a temple built somewhere in the interior of Peru.

I expect that by 2030 there will at least be a temple announced for Mbane-Muja (I hope I spelled it right) in the DR Congo. If Angola manages to get its first stake by the end of 2017 I expect it will have a temple by 2030.

I also expect that Kiribati or the Federated States of Micronesia or Guam or the Marshall Islands will have a temple by 2030. I am just not sure which of these islands is most likely to get it. Right now I think my guess is Kiribati.

I expect that Papua New Guinea will have a temple by 2030. I expect there will be 5 temples in the Philippines by then, although I am not sure where the 5th will be.

I hope Mongolia will have a temple by 2030. The same for both Capetown, South Africa and Gabronne, Botswana, although the path to either is not yet clear.

James Anderson said...

Looked at the Sao Paulo/Curitiba corridor and there are almost no big places between Sao Paulo and Curitiba. Most are rather small, maybe like 25,00 population tops.

The possibilities in Sao Paulo state though are possibly at some point closer to 2030 would be Ribeirao Preto, Sorocaba, and possibly even Jundiai. All would depend on Church growth in the immediate area in and around those cities. Jundiai is generally about halfway to Campinas from Sao Paulo, and eventually for the same reasons we could see something in the east of Sao Paulo's metro as well, maybe even Santos.


Ryan Searcy said...

Considering the Sao Paulo area, why are there tons of tiny mission branches? There are lots of missions in Sao Paulo State, and many of them has a mission branch, but all of them are small. All of them could easily be part of a stake, but they are not. Why is that?

Brazil Campinas Mission Branch
Brazil Londrina Mission Branch
Brazil Piracicaba Mission Branch
Brazil Ribeirao Preto Mission Branch
Brazil Sao Paulo East Mission Branch
Brazil Sao Paulo North Mission Branch
Brazil Sao Paulo South Mission

Mike Johnson said...

The Mission branch is an administrative branch responsible for one or more groups. It may be better to have the mission president (and full time missionaries) administer these groups and grow them into branches.

We see area, mission, and district administrative branches but none in stakes.

James said...

Thanks for the info on the duplication of Maracaibo, Eduardo Cinch. Replace the second Maracaibo with Layton, which I didn't have on my list. All of those mentioned are well thought out. I did the math on it, and if the Church announced 3 temples on average per year and completed 4 per year, we would have easily have 200 temples by the Church's 200th anniversary. I know for sure that if all goes according to the current plan, two temples are close to having a groundbreaking announced, and all but two have had at least a potential site announced. One thing I didn't mention last time is the blog post I did on possible temple sites, analyzing the current progress and future direction of temple building, including my list above. I will need to amend it to eliminate the duplication of Maracaibo. I do also know (because I've been keeping an eye on it) that we will have at least 165 temples dedicated by early 2019. With so many of the backlogged temples making progress, it would surprise me a great deal if no new temples were announced in April. Because I did some quick calculations, I can tell you that if the Church completes three temples a year and announces three more per year, we will have 200 by the 200th anniversary of the Church easily. There are 13-14 years between now and then. If 3 temples are announced per year, that would bring the total number of temples in various stages to over 240. If the Church were to announce and complete more than 3 per year, which is very likely, the 200 temple goal could easily be realized by April 6, 2030, if the Church chooses to set such a goal. In the same post, I talk about who might be Church president at the Church's bicentennial. All of this is related to Church growth. That post can be found by going to http://stokessoundsoff.blogspot.com/2016/02/major-temple-newstemple-progress.html. Enjoy!

John Pack Lambert said...

Is there a possibility a temple will be built in Santos?

John Pack Lambert said...

Is there a possibility a temple will be built in Santos?

Ryan Searcy said...

A temple in Santos would only hold (at present) 5 stakes and 2 districts. Though one of those districts may be close to becoming a stake, it is a very small district for a temple, unless they build one the size of Durban (which appears to be a very small temple - I don't know the sq footage, but it appears to only be slightly larger than Colonia Juarez).

Mike Johnson said...

>>>6. Southwest Salt Lake Valley Temple (proposed in 2005 by President Gordon B. Hinckley)

President Hinckley did mention temples to built in the West and in the Southwest of the valley and then announced that there would be a temple built in the new Daybreak development (built on Kennecott Lands). He did not indicate whether this was the temple in the west or in the southwest of the valley. The Deseret News reported that President Hinckley stated that this was the temple to be built in the west of the valley. I sent the author of that story an email asking her to go back and listen to what President Hinckley said and that he did not identify which of the future temples would be built and she wrote back saying she would not do so because she knew President Hinckley said was the west temple.

I believe it was the southwest temple that President Hinckley announced for many reasons:

1. It is 85% of the way from the northern end to the southern end of the valley.
2. It would be strange to think of Daybreak as west in valley where the northern part is where Church HQ is and the population, economic and political center of the county (and state) is in the northern third of the county.
3. That would make 4 temples in the southern 17% of the valley and 1 to the north (where about 90% of the population lives (i.e., north of the Jordan River Temple).
4. The Jordan River and the Oquirrh Mountain (i.e. Daybreak) temples have a total of 100 stakes in their districts, 78 north of the Oquirrh Mountain Temple and 22 south. The Oquirrh Mountain temple has for example the four stakes in Magna in the district and all the stakes across the western side of the Salt Lake valley with 21 stakes to the north and 13 to the south.
5. My brother-in-law then a real estate lawyer for the Church confirmed that both temples are from the Kennecott Lands development plan and the other would be much further north than Daybreak.
6. The master plan for the west bench was published with plans for the entire 75,000 acres of Kennecott Lands in Salt Lake County in 2005. It anticipates 500,000 people moving into these new developments by 2040 that run from I-80 south to the border with Utah county along the western part of the country--the area for development is called the West Bench. The plans have 1 new urban center on the north near I-80; 3 new town centers spread out in the north, center (west of Kearns), and south (west of Daybreak). A new major transit corridor is to run from the southern town center through the others to the urban center to I-80. 18 new village centers (like Daybreak) with 10 west of Salt Lake City and West Valley City. The development planned out the use of every part of the land--a collaboration between Salt Lake County, 5 cities, and Kennecott lands. They laid out where the schools (public and private) would be up to a university campus. They laid out numerous sites for industry, parks, shopping areas, office buildings, and churches throughout the region. While obviously master plans get updated through time, the same deal that had Kennecott Lands offer the Church a prime site for nothing in Daybreak provided another similar site further north. The most likely site would be on the Oquirrh Mountains near the northern end and as the development--one of the largest master planned communities in the US--builds out, I do believe the Church will build the temple in the western part of the valley near the northern end of the Oquirrh Mountains. We are now about 11 years into the 35 year plan that was laid out. I think it will come in time.

John Pack Lambert said...

The temple in Sascachewan only has 4 stakes in its district, and a new temple is being built. Anyway in the case of Santos we are considering the possibility by 2030.

John Pack Lambert said...

Mike has convinced me that an additional temple in the western part of the Salt Lake valley is more likely than one south-west of the Oquirrh Mountain Temple, especially as the one President Hinckley mentioned.

Ryan Searcy said...

The Regina Saskatchewan Temple only has 3 stakes, one of which is Winnipeg.

The 5th Salt Lake County temple is located in Herriman. It is next to the Mountain View Stake Center.

Gnesileah said...

In 2006, Bluffdale city officials seemed to believe the 5th Salt Lake County temple would eventually be built there:


James Anderson said...

A Deseret News article had the fifth temple at 48th West which at that time was about the dividing line between Herriman and Bluffdale. It would have been on the Herriman side at that time.

But since then a developer, who had the land to the east of 48th West, successfully was able to move his property from being in Bluffdale to being in Herriman. There was a nasty court case but the judge ruled that the switch could proceed.

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Alex said...

I would actually be very surprised if the 5th Salt Lake County temple was north of the Oquirrh Mountain Temple. I'm a native of South Jordan, and from my perspective, this is one of those times where the map can be deceiving. There are a lot more people in the north than the south, but just because people live in an area doesn't mean that a temple will be used or built. The reason Oquirrh Mountain happened was because Jordan River was outdoing Provo for number of ordinances, which is completely unheard of with BYU and the MTC feeding Provo so heavily. To alleviate that, the Church built temples where most of the growth adn attendance was coming from, on the southeast side (Draper) and west side (Oquirrh Mountain) of the valley. They have both been there long enough now to see consistent usage trends (anecdotal, but from people in the know). Draper has had a lot of trouble maintaining hourly endowment sessions. They really don't have the attendance numbers for anything else to be built on the east side of the valley north of Draper without taking a huge chunk from Salt Lake to buttress things, which doesn't make too much sense because there really isn't much growth at all in that part of either temple's district on the east side of the valley, and the next Salt Lake split will probably end up being Tooele rather than cutting off the south part of the city.

In contrast, Oquirrh Mountain is actually really busy. In fact, last I checked they apparently held the record for the most baptisms for the dead done in one temple in one day, and are well staffed and have pretty good attendance for just about everything. With Daybreak, Herriman, Riverton, and Bluffdale all growing, there's a lot of potential for an active temple district to continue rapidly growing. If we call Oquirrh Mountain the west temple, which was the widespread consensus after it was announced, then there's even another reason for a southwest Salt Lake Valley temple, and that's Mount Timp. The Mount Timpanogos temple takes the entire northern part of Utah County, and is so busy that it really needs another temple built to take the pressure off. While I think a temple will go in the northwest part of Utah County (Lehi, Eagle Mountain, or Saratoga Springs) really soon, a few of the stakes in the far northern part of Utah County (e.g., Lehi, Eagle Mountain, Saratoga Springs, Alpine) could easily go to a temple in the far southwest of Salt Lake County, especially now that the Mountain View Corridor is in place between the counties.

Alex said...

Is there an argument for placing a temple on the northwest side of the Salt Lake Valley? Yes, but for now it's weak. Jordan River is actually the 4th largest temple in the Church (bigger than Provo, with as many ordinance rooms and more sealing rooms) and can easily handle endowments every 20-30 minutes, so I don't see it being over-stressed. There may well be some sort of master plan to place things in the west, but that is going to take a lot of time, and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the southwest side of the Salt Lake valley grew enough to get another temple before any northwest side construction got big enough to handle a temple, maybe before that potential northern development even started. The Kennecott master plan may even fizzle like the development Salt Lake City had hoped to put west of the temple (which was a master plan that failed so hard the prison will go there now). That means that I have to consider things as they currently are, and as I understand it, the growth and temple attendance are both largely coming from the south side. Meanwhile, the northwest part of the valley (Kearns, West Valley, Magna, South Salt Lake) is one of the most unsafe and gang-heavy areas in the entire state (part of why the master plan will be a hard sell for at least 5-10 years).

Anyway, with current demographics, unless they built a northwest Salt Lake County temple right up against the Oquirrh Mountains near USANA (a big outdoor amphitheater in the middle of the neighborhoods between the county landfill to the south and the land around the airport to the north) or so far east that it runs into Draper territory (e.g., Murray, Milcreek, Cottonwood Heights), which runs into the problems I mentioned earlier, there's no good place to put a temple on the northwest side unless they can find some land in or near Taylorsville (possible but doubtful with how developed and how close to to the Draper Temple's district that area is). Could they get a temple in the northwest part of the Salt Lake Valley (splitting the Jordan River district) if God really wanted one there? Yes, but they probably need to demonstrate that they will use their temple like crazy and demonstrate real membership growth in the area, and I just don't see either of those things happening right now. I'd put a northwest Salt Lake Valley temple on the "medium-to-long term prospects" list, but a temple south of Oquirrh Mountain, a short-to-medium term prospect, has such a superior argument for a temple that it easily beats out the north part of the valley for "likely site for temple #5 in Salt Lake County."

Eduardo Clinch said...

Where do people in Delta attend a temple? Will Payson be their new and permanent temple or will Cedar City?

Alex said...

Delta will not be assigned to Cedar City, so I'm assuming that Payson will be their new and permanent temple. Evidence comes from the ldschurchtemples website's Cedar City temple page, which lists the future Cedar City district thusly: "The Cedar City Utah Temple will serve members from 17 stakes located in southern Utah and eastern Nevada: Beaver Utah Stake, Cedar City Utah Canyon View Stake, Cedar City Utah Cross Hollow Stake, Cedar City Utah Married Student Stake, Cedar City Utah North Stake, Cedar City Utah Stake, Cedar City Utah West Stake, Cedar City YSA 1st Stake, Cedar City YSA 2nd Stake, Ely Nevada Stake, Enoch Utah Stake, Enoch Utah West Stake, Escalante Utah Stake, Minersville Utah Stake, Panaca Nevada Stake, Panguitch Utah Stake, and Parowan Utah Stake."