tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post5751156146537129509..comments2024-03-29T08:40:04.337-06:00Comments on Growth of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church): New Temple Prediction Map - September 2016 EditionMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16030323360917985701noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-79292550766621247182016-12-05T12:38:14.142-07:002016-12-05T12:38:14.142-07:00Huzzahs!
That's good to hear. Did the boundar...Huzzahs! <br />That's good to hear. Did the boundary change take in some of the Old English Ward? <br />When I served there, we only had one Hispanic member - Edgardo - much less a Spanish-language branch. <br />Did the growth in the Spanish branch occur mostly due to move-ins, or a combination of move-ins and converts? Johnathan Reese Whitinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271748150823074792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-31304650337959733042016-12-05T00:34:29.365-07:002016-12-05T00:34:29.365-07:00@Jonathan Whiting - that small branch in Corydon i...@Jonathan Whiting - that small branch in Corydon is now the Corydon 1st Ward, as of mid-November 2016. The boundaries were realigned to add some members with the hopes of getting a new building in the near future. And yes, they still share the building with the Corydon 2nd (Spanish) Branch. I was in the 1st Branch/Ward for the last 3 years and just recently moved out.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203380059553736183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-24181703666085674292016-10-29T20:55:06.832-06:002016-10-29T20:55:06.832-06:00A few possible additions:
Iquitos Peru (3 stakes)...A few possible additions:<br /><br />Iquitos Peru (3 stakes)<br />Antananarivo Madagascar (2 stakes 3 districts)<br />Antofagasta Chile (7 stakes 2 districts)<br />Santa Cruz de la Sierra Bolivia (9 stakes 2 districts)<br />Cali Bogota (5 stakes 3 districts)<br />Guayana City Venezuela (9 stakes 2 districts)<br />Comodoro Rivadavia/Trelew Argentina or Punta Arenas Chile (4 stakes 5 districts)<br />Salta Argentina (7 stakes 3 districts)<br />Osaka Japan (6 stakes 2 districts)<br />Torreon Mexico (8 stakes 3 districts)<br />McAllen Texas or Reynoso Mexico (7 stakes 2 districts)<br />Legazpi Philippines (4 stakes 7 districts)<br /><br />*This is in no regard to the degree of active members/recommend holders in each stake. I don't think I have access to such statistics. Perhaps the ones like Iquitos and Antananrivo would be super mini-temples as made during President Hickley's presidency. These seem very small amount of temple district but in consideration of the existing temples with 4 or less total units: <br />Adelaide Australia Temple District=3 stakes 1 district<br />Colonia Juárez Chihuahua Mexico Temple District=2 stakes 2 districts<br />Kona Hawaii Temple=4 stakes (Hawaii's size is noted)<br />Montreal Quebec Temple=4 stakes<br />Perth Australia Temple=4 stakes<br />Copenhagen Denmark Temple=3 stakes<br />Regina Saskatchewan Temple=3 stakes<br />Halifax Nova Scotia Temple=2 stakes99https://www.blogger.com/profile/01057231236989777247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-67937043232827973572016-10-26T13:26:24.723-06:002016-10-26T13:26:24.723-06:00Cheyenne Wyoming Stake
Cheyenne Wyoming Stake
Chey...Cheyenne Wyoming Stake<br />Cheyenne Wyoming Stake<br />Cheyenne Wyoming East Stake<br />Laramie Wyoming Stake (12 wards) <br />Casper Wyoming Stake (12 wards)Bryansb1984https://www.blogger.com/profile/01188210431454868034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-26613241271995792082016-10-22T04:41:44.354-06:002016-10-22T04:41:44.354-06:00@Nathan Winder and others interested:
Cool articl...@Nathan Winder and others interested:<br /><br />Cool article about Iranian and Afghan refugees converting to Christianity in Germany: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/christian-refugee-iran-germany-merkel/504092/Johnathan Reese Whitinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271748150823074792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-89655192359813632752016-10-14T20:58:38.437-06:002016-10-14T20:58:38.437-06:00The process of splitting a ward is not automatic o...The process of splitting a ward is not automatic of course. The stake decides whether they would like to realign and create new wards, but they don't have to. It may be that leadership is not thought to be ready for new wards, even if the criteria are available. Such judgement calls may be made at both the stake and the First Presidency level and although criteria are provided, ultimately, the stake, the area leadership, and First Presidency need to be comfortable with it.Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-4129106409656580822016-10-11T20:43:23.130-06:002016-10-11T20:43:23.130-06:00mira, true there are a lot of wards that could be ...mira, true there are a lot of wards that could be created. In my stake, I would guess that we would go from 7 wards and a branch to probably 10-11 wards and the branch.<br /><br />There are a lot of wards in the US with 600-700 members. If they had 30 or more active full-tithe paying Melchizedek Priesthood holders my guess is they would be split.<br /><br />I wonder if the process for splitting the two wards you mention is already happening. To create a ward and call a bishop it takes First Presidency action and that takes time.Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-68352057016479511392016-10-08T01:38:00.083-06:002016-10-08T01:38:00.083-06:00@Mike Johnson
Yes the 15 active full-tithe-paying ...@Mike Johnson<br />Yes the 15 active full-tithe-paying Melchizedek Priesthood holders (FTPMPH)is the same. I still think that in the US most ward with over 300 members on record have 30 more active FTPMPH. In my stake all the ward's have between 29 and 45 active MPH. In my experience as a ward finacial clerk nearly all of them pay full tithing. The wards in my stake have between 190 and 320 members on record. I cannot imagine that there would be a big difference in the US. The activity rate is similar or higher in the US.<br /><br />I did not say, that if the requerement of the US and outside would be the same, that there would be twice as many ward's in the US, but that there could and they would still fullfil the minimum requriment for a ward. In my stake there are 2 ward with more than 300 members on record and more than 40 active MPH, but i would still say that they are far away from beeing split. And i think it is good that they are not.<br /><br />A friend of mine, that works for the church in Frankfort, told be that they plan on splitting ward in europe, when attendance reaches 230. When they discuss the discontinuatoin of stakes or wards (or downgrading) the main concern is, that the minimum requirement of members on record is not fullfiled anymore.<br /><br />In my opionion it would be better, if there would be a requirment of a miminum of acitve members (or attendance) than for members on record. (there propabli is, but it is not writen in the handbook)mirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414491419910180189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-18875624246455857882016-10-07T22:14:26.823-06:002016-10-07T22:14:26.823-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Johnathan Reese Whitinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271748150823074792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-52901290919436302512016-10-07T22:05:23.693-06:002016-10-07T22:05:23.693-06:00A branch in Corydon, Indiana, meets in an old Chur...A branch in Corydon, Indiana, meets in an old Church of the Nazarene building that was purchased and fixed up by the LDS Church. The building has a gravel parking lot in back, a Protestant church-style marquee, and a cross over the doorway on the front facade. Back during my mission 12 years ago, the relatively small Corydon branch met there, but I believe a Spanish branch meets there now, as well. <br /><br />215 W Chestnut St, Corydon, IN 47112Johnathan Reese Whitinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05271748150823074792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-81417028819267351562016-10-07T17:57:35.498-06:002016-10-07T17:57:35.498-06:00>>> Also the requirement for a ward in th...>>> Also the requirement for a ward in the US is a lot hight, than in outside (US&Cananda) 300 compared to 150 members on record. If the requirement would be the same, you might be able to double the wards in the US and that would dwarf the wards outside the US. I don't know why they have different requirements for wards and stakes in the (US and Canada) and the rest of the world. <br /><br />Miro, the other requirement for a ward is 15 active full-tithe-paying Melchizedek Priesthood holders and that is the same both inside a North America area or in a non-North America area. Lower the member of record requirement from 300 to 150 would result in some more wards, but would not double the number of wards. There are areas with 500 to 900 members per ward and it wouldn't increase the number of wards in that case. <br /><br />I don't know why the difference HB 1 didn't explain why the difference. It could be that there is more mobility in the US and Canada than in many other countries, with the possibility of lots of people moving into or out of an area quickly. But, I don't know.Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-81490072512028708332016-10-06T16:31:06.856-06:002016-10-06T16:31:06.856-06:00All units in both the Stafford and the (current) F...All units in both the Stafford and the (current) Fredericksburg stakes were previously in the (old) Fredericksburg stake.<br /><br />When I first lived in the Mount Vernon stake (1989-96), we have five wards and a branch. We lived in California from 1996 to 1998 and about that time two wards from the (then) Fredericksburg stake (Lake Ridge 1st and 2nd) were moved into the Mount Vernon stake. We moved back to the area and to Lake Ridge and were in the Mount Vernon Stake from 1998 to 2001. We then moved to Nevada and while we were there, the two Lake Ridge wards and the wards in the Fredericksburg stake in Prince William County were combined into the Woodbridge stake. At that point, I think there were 6 wards in the Woodbridge stake in two buildings. Today there are 9 wards in the Woodbridge stake in three buildings.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the Mount Vernon stake in the same area were we once had 5 wards (4 family and 1 single adult) and 1 Spanish branch now has 13 wards. We had two buildings in the late 1980s and early 1990s in the stake and now there are 4 buildings.<br /><br />One possibility in northern Virginia would be the creation of a singles stake and a Spanish stake. Each would have six wards:<br /><br />Braddock YSA Ward from Annandale<br />Shenandoah YSA Ward from Ashburn<br />Langley YSA Ward from McLean<br />Colonial YSA 1st Ward from Mount Vernon<br />Colonial YSA 2nd Ward from Mount Vernon<br />Potomac Ward (Single Adult) from Mount Vernon<br /><br />Little River Ward (Spanish) from Annandale<br />Sudley Ward (Spanish) from Centreville<br />Bella Vista Ward (Spanish) from McLean<br />Old Town Ward (Spanish) from Mount Vernon<br />Spring Lake Ward (Spanish) from Oakton<br />Potomac River Ward (Spanish) from Woodbridge<br /><br />This would leave the existing stakes with the following number of wards:<br />Annandale Virginia Stake: 6 wards<br />Ashburn Virginia Stake: 11 wards<br />Centreville Virginia Stake: 9 wards and 1 branch<br />McLean Virginia Stake: 7 wards<br />Mount Vernon Virginia Stake: 9 wards<br />Oakton Virginia Stake: 8 wards<br />Woodbridge Virginia Stake: 8 wards<br /><br />North of the Potomac, there are more singles and Spanish units:<br /><br />Spa Creek Branch (Spanish) from Annapolis<br />Gaithersburg 2nd Ward (Spanish from Seneca<br />Olney 2nd Ward (Spanish) from Seneca<br />Glenmont Ward (Spanish) from Silver Spring<br />Silver Spring Ward (Spanish) from Silver Spring<br />Washington DC 1st Ward (Spanish) from Washington DC<br />Mount Pleasant Branch (Spanish) from Washington DC<br /> <br />Gaithersburg YSA Branch from Seneca<br />Glenn Dale YSA Ward from Silver Spring<br />Washington DC YSA 2nd Ward from Washington DC<br /><br />Of course, traffic might make it difficult to have stakes with units north and south of the Potomac.Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-63563427506885310222016-10-06T15:38:43.401-06:002016-10-06T15:38:43.401-06:00In Kalamazoo Michigan there is an LDS Chapel that ...In Kalamazoo Michigan there is an LDS Chapel that used to be a Protestant Church. However that is the one used by the Kalamazoo student branch, so a smaller size works.<br /><br />One advantage to using existing Church buildings is that there is less potential for need to rezone and community opposition. <br /><br />On the note of parking on streets, there are Protestant Churchs in Detroit where all parking is done on the streets and there is no parking lot at all. More common though are churches where the parking lot is across the street from the building. <br /><br />All LDS chapels in the city of Detroit on the other hand have gates across the parking lot entrance. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-10375469900213850982016-10-06T14:09:19.432-06:002016-10-06T14:09:19.432-06:00Oh right, I guess I was thinking of the Woodbridge...Oh right, I guess I was thinking of the Woodbridge Stake, and maybe they didn't lose any units to make the new Stafford Stake. With the mission swap and then the new stake I got mixed up. Good to hear that the numbers are still up and possibly higher as the DC area keeps growing. Thanks for the correction. I hope you guys keep baptizing and growing.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-12050081378858306172016-10-05T21:48:24.837-06:002016-10-05T21:48:24.837-06:00>>>Now that the new Stafford Stake broke ...>>>Now that the new Stafford Stake broke off I expect the Mount Vernon numbers to lower. <br /><br />Eduardo, I am not sure why the creation of the Stafford Stake would have any impact on the baptisms in the Mount Vernon Stake. We haven't been in the same mission for years now. The Stafford area has never been in the Mount Vernon Stake.iiMike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-33056816553813836432016-10-05T21:42:22.140-06:002016-10-05T21:42:22.140-06:00Hartwood is along US 17 west of I 95.
How big wa...Hartwood is along US 17 west of I 95. <br /><br />How big was the chapel? 70% of protestant churches have weekly attendance of less than 70 people and the chapels are quite small.Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-36008140754930910062016-10-05T19:35:42.782-06:002016-10-05T19:35:42.782-06:00Where is the Hartwood area? I recommended a chapel...Where is the Hartwood area? I recommended a chapel for sale to some Ashburn Stake leaders close to NOVA in Sterling on Potomac View but I don't know if that was close to where Church wishes to expand in Northern Virginia.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-11496806979469329042016-10-05T03:53:42.981-06:002016-10-05T03:53:42.981-06:00Eduardo, 3 stakes shared that meeting house just s...Eduardo, 3 stakes shared that meeting house just south of Dulles Airport, including the Oakton Stake. The meeting house on Willard Road in Chantilly still hosts the Centreville 1st and Fair Oaks wards from two stakes. A meeting house shared by 3 stakes was quite a novelty.<br /><br />There are meeting houses being built in the North America areas but there needs to be shown that there is no additional capacity in nearby meeting houses. There are four wards in the Ashburn Stake Center, but there are two in the Stirling Park building and only one in the Tall Cedars building. The Brambleton Ward could easily meet in the Tall Cedars building. With nearby capacity, I can see that the stake would have difficulty getting approval for a sixth building.<br /><br />I feel the same way and believe that the stake should have another building in the Hartwood area. But, the anticipated division of the Hartwood ward likely will put a third ward in our building. A few years ago we did a fill study on our meeting house. Our concern is parking, where both wards meeting in the building use at least 60% of the parking so overlap isn't possible--the last time overlap was used the cars were part along the roads and the county expressed concern. There were three wards meeting in the building at the time and they had to go to non-overlapping times (8:00, 11:30, 3:00). When the Stafford building was completed, this eased up. However, the two wards became so large that an hour and a half was used between services, until the ward was divided (3 wards became 4) and the new ward met in the new Stafford building. We may yet again need to go to three non-overlapping wards in our building.Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-78575376399023607162016-10-03T20:11:32.917-06:002016-10-03T20:11:32.917-06:00I think there could still be be 200 operating temp...I think there could still be be 200 operating temple by 2030. All that needs to happen is an average of 3 temple announcements every year for the next 8 years. That would but us at 200 operating or announced by 2024. I think this could be reasonable and all these temples could be finished by 2030. I think they more will come in April. Cory https://www.blogger.com/profile/03678440844474809366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-77267236386931210702016-10-03T13:38:21.632-06:002016-10-03T13:38:21.632-06:00Before the Tall Cedars Ward was finished two years...Before the Tall Cedars Ward was finished two years ago Ashburn and Centreville shared the Westfield chapel. Both chapels are pretty new. I suggested a new chapel purchase in Sterling to stake leaders but they say "nothing in North America is being built newly" because of growth in West Africa.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-68836158654567039202016-10-03T13:01:19.158-06:002016-10-03T13:01:19.158-06:00Mike thanks for the insight. The traffic was a li...Mike thanks for the insight. The traffic was a little worse than I normally experience Friday night for the Washington metro area, but nothing to write home about. The church has numbers of not only temple recommend holders, but temple attendance and submitting names for the temple.<br /><br />Eduardo, if a new stake center is built in Chantilly I would like that because it would mean my stake (Oakton) would be involved in a split. The church has land near the Dulles Tollway for a building, but the plans are that more than one stake will be using the building.<br /><br />One issue of ward and stake size in the Washington metro area is finding places to build churches. People who know me, know that I would advocate for smaller wards (~150 active members), but I also know that there are many factors that I am not aware of.Nathanialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10860660549964725512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-22052396026835862282016-10-02T19:24:06.294-06:002016-10-02T19:24:06.294-06:00The Mount Vernon Stake baptizes better than the ot...The Mount Vernon Stake baptizes better than the other DC South stakes (47 as of August) while Centreville is in second this year with 34. Ashburn is last with 18 as of August. Now that the new Stafford Stake broke off I expect the Mount Vernon numbers to lower. <br />The question remains: where to put the new stake center? Chantilly?Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-63288755868097329952016-10-02T16:41:03.953-06:002016-10-02T16:41:03.953-06:00Well, it looks like it will not be until April tha...Well, it looks like it will not be until April that another temple is announced at the earliest, although Trujillo Peru Temple was announced on December 13, 2008, and going back further there are other examples of not at Conference announcements. <br /><br />Especially since the annoucement would have most likely been done during the Sunday sessions, which are moving into the night almost to Monday for places like Kenya and I think even more so in Asia, if there is plans to announce a temple in Asia, Africa or Europe the 1st presidency may have put it off. I still don't expect an anouncement of new temples until at least April.<br /><br />I do hope a few more dedication dates will be firm by then, and hopefully groundbreakings on a few more temples.<br /><br />The Mount Vernon Virginia Stake alone has 13 wards. True, 2 are YSA and one is single adult. I still think it could be split outright. Woodbridge Stake just to the south-west has 9 wards, so that could allow for some combination. Ashburn Stake has 12 wards, and is just to the north of Centreville Stake with 10 wards. I think it might be possilbe to get 2 new stakes in the DC South Mission area of Virginia. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-27288084799461876822016-10-02T14:45:05.629-06:002016-10-02T14:45:05.629-06:00I'd like to add two temples to the long-shot l...I'd like to add two temples to the long-shot list that are not on Matt's list: McAllen Texas USA and Torreon Mexico.<br />Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09608876644174580899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-37839662240468574882016-10-02T13:34:02.751-06:002016-10-02T13:34:02.751-06:00The DC Temple district currently has 34 stakes wi...The DC Temple district currently has 34 stakes with 265 wards and 61 branches.<br /><br />These stakes are in 7 missions. Historically, there has been a 1-1 correlation between missions and area coordinating councils of the same name in the North America Northeast Area.<br /><br />Maryland Baltimore (6 stakes with 41 wards and 9 branches) in the DC Temple district + 1 stake in the Philadelphia temple district<br />Washington DC North (5 stakes with 41 wards and 8 branches) in the DC Temple district <br />Washington DC South (7 stakes with 70 wards and 1 branches) in the DC Temple district <br />Pennsylvania Pittsburgh (2 stakes with 12 wards and 9 branches) in the DC Temple district + 5 stakes in 3 other temple districts<br />Virginia Richmond (6 stakes with 42 wards and 13 branches) in the DC Temple district <br />Virginia Chesapeake (3 stakes with 24 wards and 9 branches) in the DC Temple district + 2 stakes in the Raleigh temple district<br />West Virginia Charleston (5 stakes with 35 wards and 12 branches) in the DC Temple district + 2 stakes in 2 other temple districts<br /><br />One would think that a new stake could be created in the DC South Mission, with a current average of 10 wards in each of the 7 stakes.<br /><br />The fact that the Pennsylvania Pittsburg Mission stakes are divided 4-ways by temples (2 in Columbus Ohio; 2 in Washington DC; 2 in Philadelphia Pennsylvania; and 1 in Palmyra New York) does suggest that a temple should be built there at some point.<br /><br />4 of the 5 West Virginia Charleston stakes in the DC temple district are Virginia stakes (Buena Vista, Buena Vista YSA, Roanoke, and Pembroke)Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.com