tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post8582458474998234955..comments2024-03-28T07:31:41.105-06:00Comments on Growth of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church): New Stakes Created in Brazil, Georgia, Guatemala, and the Philippines; New District in Armenia; Stake Discontinued in Germany; Districts Discontinued in Brazil, Germany, and UkraineMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16030323360917985701noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-19192621243408633752018-06-26T12:12:28.164-06:002018-06-26T12:12:28.164-06:00My take away from reading about the new hymnal is ...My take away from reading about the new hymnal is with a desire for core doctrinal uniformity they are likely to remove hymns that exist more for historic reasons. Yet with a year for new submissions I think a lot will depend on what is submitted.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-73380135141719554452018-06-20T12:02:48.749-06:002018-06-20T12:02:48.749-06:00That is good. The original context was the change...That is good. The original context was the change in 2015 from scripture mastery to doctrinal mastery in particularly the Seminary program, although it conceivably has application everywhere, but this may have well been one of the various forerunners to what is happening now.<br /><br />The July vacation period is almost here, so we may not see much during that month, things should pick up in August. <br /><br />The mission presidents seminar, always a big event anyway, starts next week, who knows what could come out of that.James Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831340842937216806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-68967639648301072732018-06-20T09:51:26.036-06:002018-06-20T09:51:26.036-06:00https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/article/ces-devotio...https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/article/ces-devotionals/2013/01/responding-appropriately-to-change?lang=eng<br /><br />Good talk about hastening the work by embracing change in the kingdom.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195848358946005216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-42517794847997912292018-06-20T04:16:04.151-06:002018-06-20T04:16:04.151-06:00I dislike Kolob for its long-windedness. But if it...I dislike Kolob for its long-windedness. But if it's kept, I've heard a suggestion to replace the troubling line with "There is no end to grace."Grant Emeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08719597556626187043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-58456016887129758562018-06-19T02:34:38.836-06:002018-06-19T02:34:38.836-06:00"There is no end to race." If that is in..."There is no end to race." If that is interpreted as anything other than the human race than that is unfortunate. And we do count Adam and Eve as our first human progenitors, so we are all one, yes?<br />President Nelson learned Mandarin, not sure how well. Smart guy with an uncanny memory.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-55281168542933014042018-06-18T21:28:10.385-06:002018-06-18T21:28:10.385-06:00On the subject of the revisions of the hymnal and ...On the subject of the revisions of the hymnal and children's songbook that were announced today, it is awesome that, for the first time ever, we as members of the Church have been invited to submit our thoughts about our favorites from the current books and ideas for what could be added or removed. It is also interesting that the new editions of both books will be used around the Church, which emphasizes the Church's goal of having all members be unified in how they worship. Each member obviously will feel differently about different hymns, which is why I am grateful that we have over a year to offer such feedback. Clearly not every change, addition, or omission may make it in to the final products, but hopefully the changes that are made will be helpful to the unification of the global Church.<br /><br />One question to which I do not have a good answer is how many of the developments that have occurred in the last year or so were under active consideration before President Monson's passing and were just implemented after the fact, and how many of these changes may have been done under inspiration from President Nelson. I know that apostles in the past have talked about how certain changes in policy and practice were under study for some time before any of them were implemented or announced to the general membership.<br /><br />But it is also clear to me that whatever the Church does is not going to satisfy everyone inside and outside the Church. Some complain that too much is changing at once. Some complain that some of these changes should have been implemented a while ago. Some fail to understand that many of the "changes" that have been announced this year primarily came about because we as Church members were not doing as we should.<br /><br />For example, some of you may remember a great talk given by Elder Holland in the Priesthood Session of the October 2016 General Conference, titled "Emissaries to the Church", in which he described what effective home teaching should look like: being done by inspiration based on the needs of the families and individuals, and not so much being concerned about just reading a message or delaying such contact until the end of the month.<br /><br />In going back over Elder Holland's remarks from that conference, it is plain that the approach he recommended in October 2016 is more or less exactly what some are calling a "new program" of ministering. And Church leaders for years have counseled us to not let a program to be run become more important than a person that needs to be rescued or saved. <br /><br />Clearly, since the "letter" of home & visiting teaching was becoming more of a focus than the "spirit" of what it should have been, a formal change was needed to ensure that we as Church members will now have more responsibility and accountability for how, when, and to what extent we have followed what is now official Church practice rather than just a suggestion from our leaders that is not being taken seriously. These are just my thoughts on the subject, and I understand if others disagree. But ministering is just one example of simplification the Church has had to implement because our focus was not where it should have been in that regard.<br /><br />I prefer to take the view that all the changes we are seeing are meant to unify the Church and level the playing field for members in all areas of the Church, rather than just continuing programs and practices that may miss the mark. With that said, I look forward to and am anxious to embrace any and all other developments that may come in the weeks, months, and years ahead for the Church. Thanks for taking time to read this. I hope my observations have proven helpful and illuminating to at least some of you.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-88769480635845535882018-06-18T21:27:56.118-06:002018-06-18T21:27:56.118-06:00Hello again, everyone! Just to reiterate some thin...Hello again, everyone! Just to reiterate some things that may or may not have been discussed here previously, the LDS Church Temples site is down due to a server crash. It is in the process of reconstruction and restoration, but depending on the extent of the damage to the server, the fixes may take longer than any of us might like.<br /><br />That said, for those not aware, there is a Facebook page that has been established for the website that is still very much operational, so you can find ongoing temple updates on that page. Also, it appears that e-mails are still able to be sent to and received from the site's e-mail address. So although the site has been down for over a month, there are still ways we can track ongoing temple developments. You can find the Facebook page at the following address:<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/ldschurchtemples/<br /><br />As far as the subject of Church units is concerned, I get why the Church may not want some information disclosed on sites not directly endorsed by the Church, but that does make tracking those developments harder for the rest of us. That said, Gnesileah has been very good about posting the updates that can be found with a little research.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-58478863269076791872018-06-18T19:49:19.154-06:002018-06-18T19:49:19.154-06:00We are getting the updates fairly well here thanks...We are getting the updates fairly well here thanks to Gnesileah's wonderful reports. The big loss was the full current listings that they had at ldstemples.com. However you can get those from ldsmaps.com, although you need to use the classic version, and you would basically have to create your own database, and don't publish it.<br /><br />ldstemples.com being down does majorly restrict the information we have on developments for temples. Evidently it will go back up, but server attacks crippled the system of the person who put it together, and other business systems he had. Or something along those lines. So he is restoring first the ones that allow for his temporal survival, which I fully understand.<br /><br />On the hymn issue, I fully understand why they are doing it, and despite some people wanting cultural distinctiveness think that it is the way to go. <br /><br />Hymns are declarations of belief, and if God tells us to be one, having one hymnal is the only way to do it.<br /><br />Beyond that, it makes lots of other things more practical. Multi-lingual wards are the example given in the article. My guess is these are growing, especially with a new emphasis on building a church community and a move away from super small congregations.<br /><br />However multi-lingual wards might not be the biggest gains. Multi-language stake and higher level broadcasts are the biggest gainers. You can give out a hymn number and have all turn to it. Also, no more a hymn in general conference being not in the language of the broadcast you are watching.<br /><br />I previously expressed my views that "If You Could Hie to Kolob" and its "There is not end to race" line needs to go. The same with "Our Mountain Home So Dear". It is bad enough my ward is full of people who complain about no mountains in Michigan, we do not need their views glorified as official doctrine in a hymn.<br /><br />I am really excited about the prospects of getting more hymns from other languages. <br /><br />The open to all members submission process and other facets of this process are very encouraging. The survey is a good place to start. I still have not figured out if one can submit texts, or if music is needed as well. I have two texts I might submit, but have no skill in creating music.<br /><br />I am guessing they will roll out multiple languages all at once to start, almost certainly Spanish, English and Portuguese, and German, French and Mandarin Chinese seem like three top candidates as well, especially with an apostle fluent in Mandarin. Well, Elder Gong is at least proficient. I wonder if he learned any Chinese as a child, and I wonder if it was Mandarin or Cantonese or Fukinese or another dialect. Most Chinese immigrants who came in the late 19th-century as did his paternal ancestors were not speakers or Mandarin, but of southern Chinese languages such as Fukinese and Cantonese. <br /><br />The Deseret News article saud "several years". I have to wonder how long this has been in process. It is not clear, but the broad committees seem to have already been formed, which makes me think this may even predate President Nelson's call to the presidency, although originally they may have formed these committees to consider the direction music in the Church should go, and may have not decided clearly that the direction to go was a new unified world-wide hymnbook.<br /><br />Building a more internationally unified Church has been a thrust of some recent changes. This one and the one that involved leaving the Boy Scouts most clearly. <br /><br />There was one person in the comments section of the Deseret News who complained of too much change in the Church. However with the hymnbooks it will be "several years" and this is more a decision to seek as open, transparent, commented on a process as possible. It will be interesting to see where it goes.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-47982708413410711392018-06-18T19:10:47.516-06:002018-06-18T19:10:47.516-06:00Church Almanac in 2013 defunct, now the temple web...Church Almanac in 2013 defunct, now the temple website. My macro understanding is crippled.<br />I guess I need to do more micro family history.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-41274084158703547872018-06-18T16:59:21.810-06:002018-06-18T16:59:21.810-06:00"Does this website no longer give updates on ..."Does this website no longer give updates on ward and stake changes. As a lot of that information seems to be removed. Especially with LDS Church temples website data."<br /><br />I believe the Church has actually served a Cease and Desist to the owners of those websites, as CDOL data is to remain confidential and not be published. I might be wrong on that, but perhaps someone can give more insight. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-39172829461611890952018-06-18T16:09:25.323-06:002018-06-18T16:09:25.323-06:00Does that creation of a new district in Liberia ma...Does that creation of a new district in Liberia mark the first district/stake outside the Monrovia Metro Area in the country? I am still hoping for temples for both Freetown and Monrovia to be announced in October. Other top picks for either October or next April are Benin City, Lagon and maybe Sao Paulo temple number 2. Also I think Puerblo Mexico is a contender.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-63254174253313351262018-06-18T13:10:46.954-06:002018-06-18T13:10:46.954-06:00p.s. additional shout out to Matt's blog post ...p.s. additional shout out to Matt's blog post from 4/10/18 titled "Changes and Announcements during President Nelson's Presidency" that called out revision of the LDS hymnal and had some good discussion. Even more changes to come in the future no doubt...Brycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14417314475519436933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-76971853051532847582018-06-18T12:04:50.435-06:002018-06-18T12:04:50.435-06:00This LDS Church News article on the same subject a...This LDS Church News article on the same subject adds more details about the vision and goals of the changes:<br />https://www.ldschurchnews.com/latest/2018-06-18/church-to-publish-new-editions-of-hymnbook-and-childrens-songbook-47385Brycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14417314475519436933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-86881098244670371192018-06-18T11:32:20.485-06:002018-06-18T11:32:20.485-06:00"Latter-day Saint Hymnbook and Children’s Son..."Latter-day Saint Hymnbook and Children’s Songbook to Be Revised" - New sacred music to reflect global membership:<br />https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/latter-day-saint-hymnbook-and-childrens-songbook-revisedBrycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14417314475519436933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-28371961815673722692018-06-17T20:21:35.779-06:002018-06-17T20:21:35.779-06:00Queen Creek Arizona West Stake
- Queen Creek SA Wa...Queen Creek Arizona West Stake<br />- Queen Creek SA Ward created<br /><br />Redding California Stake<br />- Redding 2nd Ward discontinued<br />- Redding 1st Ward renamed Sundial Ward<br />- Redding 3rd Ward renamed Shasta View Ward<br />- Redding 4th Ward renamed Bonnyview Ward<br />- Redding 5th Ward renamed Mary Lake Ward<br /><br />Olathe Kansas Stake<br />- Red Bridge Ward discontinued<br /><br />Blackstone Valley Massachusetts Stake<br />- Marlborough 2nd Branch (Portuguese) created<br />- Marlborough Ward renamed Marlborough 1st Ward<br /><br />Las Vegas Nevada Blue Diamond Stake<br />- Huntington Cove Ward created<br />- Sunset Ridge Ward created<br /><br />Mapleton Utah Stake<br />- Mapleton 25th Ward created<br /><br />Midvale Utah Union Fort Stake<br />- Union Fort SA Ward renamed Union Fort SA 11th Ward<br />- Union Fort SA 12th Ward created<br /><br />Salt Lake Bonneville Stake<br />- Bonneville 2nd Ward discontinued<br />- Bonneville 1st War renamed Bonneville Ward<br /><br />Salt Lake Granger East Stake<br />- Granger 5th Ward (Spanish) renamed Lehi Ward (Spanish)<br /><br />Salt Lake Hunter Stake<br />- Hunter Hills Ward (Spanish) renamed Rancho Vista Ward (Spanish)<br /><br />Salt Lake Hunter South Stake<br />- Royal Ann Ward (Spanish) discontinuedGnesileahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17757196258988210760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-74019993939782379912018-06-17T20:21:07.557-06:002018-06-17T20:21:07.557-06:00Campinas Brazil Flamboyant Stake
- Ponte Ward rena...Campinas Brazil Flamboyant Stake<br />- Ponte Ward renamed Amazonas Ward<br /><br />Fortaleza Brazil Stake<br />- Expedicionários Ward transferred from Fortaleza Brazil Benfica Stake<br /><br />Fortaleza Brazil Dunas Stake created<br />- Guararapes, Jardim das Oliveiras, Mucuripe, Nova Aldeota, and Tancredo Neves Wards transferred from Fortaleza Brazil Stake<br /><br />Recife Brazil Stake<br />- Campo Grande Ward discontinued<br /><br />Salvador Brazil Stake<br />- Jaguaripe Ward created<br /><br />São Paulo Brazil Guarulhos Stake<br />- Jardim Adriana Branch upgraded to ward and renamed Vila Rio de Janeiro Ward<br /><br />Teresina Brazil Planalto Stake<br />- Cidade Nova Ward created<br /><br />Lima Perú Tahuantinsuyo Stake<br />- Quiñones Branch upgraded to ward<br /><br />San Cristóbal Venezuela Stake<br />- Stake discontinued<br />- Nueva Guayana Ward and Torbes Wards discontinued<br />- Nueva Concordia, Rubio, and San Josecito Wards transferred to San Cristóbal Venezuela Pirineos Stake<br />- El Piñal Branch transferred to the Venezuela Maracaibo Mission<br /><br />San Cristóbal Venezuela Pirineos Stake<br />- Colón Branch transferred to the La Fría Venezuela District<br />- San Antonio del Tachira and Ureña Wards downgraded to branches and transferred to the Venezuela Maracaibo MissionGnesileahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17757196258988210760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-41663444377104378892018-06-17T20:20:46.728-06:002018-06-17T20:20:46.728-06:00Cebu City Philippines Stake
- Oprra Ward created
...Cebu City Philippines Stake<br />- Oprra Ward created<br /><br />Brisbane Australia Beenleigh Stake<br />- Waterford West Branch (Samoan) upgraded to ward and renamed Beenleigh 2nd Ward (Samoan)<br />- Beenleigh Ward renamed Beenleigh 1st Ward<br /><br />Rennes France Stake<br />- Brest Branch discontinuedGnesileahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17757196258988210760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-56472254411328581882018-06-17T20:20:31.212-06:002018-06-17T20:20:31.212-06:00Some additional changes of which I am aware:
Cont...Some additional changes of which I am aware:<br /><br />Contonou Benin Stake<br />- Calavi Branch upgraded to ward<br /><br />Katoka Democratic Republic of the Congo Stake<br />- Malandji Ward renamed Malandji 1st Ward<br />- Malandji 2nd Ward created<br /><br />Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Kimbanseke Stake<br />- Makanza Branch upgraded to ward<br /><br />Likasi Democratic Republic of the Congo Stake<br />- Kakontwe Ward renamed Kakontwe 1st Ward<br />- Kakontwe 2nd Ward created<br />- Kambove Branch created<br /><br />Bibiani Ghana District created<br />- Bibiani Estates, Gyedi, and Sefwi Bekwai Branches transferred from Ghana Kumasi Mission<br /><br />Kakata Liberia District created<br />- Kakata 1st and Kakata 2nd Branches transferred from Liberia Monrovia Mission<br />- Kakata 3rd Branch created<br /><br />Abak Nigeria Stake<br />- Atai Otoro 1st Ward created<br />- Atai Otoro Ward renamed Atai Otoro 2nd Ward<br /><br />Asaba Nigeria Stake created from Asaba Nigeria District<br />- information on which of the seven branches became wards is currently unknownGnesileahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17757196258988210760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-84797260346201166982018-06-17T18:23:47.421-06:002018-06-17T18:23:47.421-06:00Does this website no longer give updates on ward a...Does this website no longer give updates on ward and stake changes. As a lot of that information seems to be removed. Especially with LDS Church temples website data.DJarvis87https://www.blogger.com/profile/04912751663516789929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-63866749356288886482018-06-17T16:33:21.269-06:002018-06-17T16:33:21.269-06:00The Fortaleza Dunas Brasil created. The Fortaleza Dunas Brasil created. Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14473156602809037853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-8755902474981865902018-06-17T16:31:01.658-06:002018-06-17T16:31:01.658-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14473156602809037853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-75527976589183102342018-06-16T02:15:09.498-06:002018-06-16T02:15:09.498-06:00Another great update with significantly relevant i...Another great update with significantly relevant information. Thank you, Matt, and thanks to you all for the ongoing illuminating discussions on these comment threads. I would also like to additionally thank Matt for his graciousness in allowing me to keep you all informed on the latest posts from my blog. Although I recently gave myself six days to deal with a few ongoing health problems, I again resumed publishing content covering a variety of topics on June 13. With all the Church news and temple developments I wound up covering, I have cranked out 9 posts between now and then covering a wide variety of topics, from a birthday tribute to Elder Bednar (who turned 66 yesterday, June 15) to several temple and Church news updates. I also provided further analysis on the question of which Brazilian city might be the next most likely one to have a temple announced. I continue to welcome feedback on these or any previous posts at any time. You can find my blog at the address below:<br /><br />http://stokessoundsoff.blogspot.com<br /><br />With that said, I also wanted to add that I am surprised that we are in June already and that there have only been 15 new stakes created this year. By this time last year (depending on which date you go by), the Church had created somewhere between 23-27 stakes. It is interesting to me that we particularly did not see more new stakes created last month. If I am recalling correctly, in years past, the largest number of new stakes were created in the months of May and August.<br /><br />By extension, I am also more than a little surprised that we have reached mid-June and that there have been no temple groundbreakings held. By this time last year, 2 temples had had a groundbreaking. I am hopeful that we might hear news soon that at least the Bangkok Thailand Temple groundbreaking will occur later this year. It has been very interesting to see how the number of temple developments ebb and flow from one year to the next. If all else fails, I have heard that 2019 should be a very busy year for temple groundbreakings and dedications. It will be interesting to see what happens in that regard. Thanks again, everyone.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-36346212430195583432018-06-15T18:45:04.226-06:002018-06-15T18:45:04.226-06:00Last I heard from a general authority seventy at a...Last I heard from a general authority seventy at a stake conference, he said that there are about 1 million actives, 1 million less-actives, and about 1 million nonmembers in the State. That is just a rough approximation.James Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831340842937216806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-5550106124079128032018-06-15T13:25:33.221-06:002018-06-15T13:25:33.221-06:00Accroding to the Church News report on President N...Accroding to the Church News report on President Nelson's visit to Alberta 41% of LDS Church members in Canada live in Alberta. This is higher than the about 33% or so of LDS Church members in the US in Utah. However since the US have about 5 times the number of sub-divisions that Canada has, this is not really an easy figure to compare. <br /><br />Also Alberta has 4 million people to Utah's 3 million. Utah membership is about 2 million, to Alberta's about 80,000. Lastly Alberta is more than 3 times as big by area than Utah is. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-21086204868508358212018-06-15T08:02:13.563-06:002018-06-15T08:02:13.563-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michael Worleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12078136075924935280noreply@blogger.com