tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post6550289305872999365..comments2024-03-19T01:34:05.989-06:00Comments on Growth of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church): Four New Temples AnnouncedMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16030323360917985701noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-43114358945458486372016-04-23T02:32:31.749-06:002016-04-23T02:32:31.749-06:00Interesting tidbit for those of you following temp...Interesting tidbit for those of you following temple news: The LDS Church Temples site announced yesterday (Friday) that the name of the second Lima Peru Temple would be the Lima Peru Los Olivos Temple. Additionally, the site reports that the Durban South Africa temple, which had a groundbreaking earlier this month, is anticipated to be completed in early 2018, ahead of several other temples for which ground was broken earlier. The site also reports that the reason the construction of the Fortaleza Brazil temple has not progressed beyond groundbreaking in five years is because of government-imposed delays. Time alone will tell if/when that construction will progress. Speaking of temples, I would like to see Matt do an updated list of states in the US that do not have a temple. The last time he did so appears to be 2011, and much has changed since then. Also, my team leader at work, who served a mission in Arkansas, reports that land has been purchased for a temple to be in Bentonville. It will be interesting to see if/when that one will be officially announced. It is great to see temples progressing. I still think that, if the Church wanted to, they could easily set and reach a goal of 200 temples by the 200th anniversary of the Church on April 6, 2030. We only have 27 more that would need to be announced, and, according to LDS Church temples, we could have as many as 164 completed by the end of 2018, leaving 36 to be completed within the next 11 years, which equals out to a little more than 3 that would need to be completed each subsequent year between January 2019 and April 2030, which is more than doable. I will keep an eye on all future temple-related developments, and, you can be sure and find the latest on my blog at stokessoundsoff.blogspot.com. Hope this comment has added something to this conversation.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-20124954622140044162016-04-23T02:29:26.142-06:002016-04-23T02:29:26.142-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-677925630802958862016-04-15T15:58:36.746-06:002016-04-15T15:58:36.746-06:00do you have a last name by chance or his first nam...do you have a last name by chance or his first name?Whizzbanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08999609207185818507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-79396828201962529402016-04-13T21:02:05.701-06:002016-04-13T21:02:05.701-06:00A friend of mine named Jennifer served her mission...A friend of mine named Jennifer served her mission in Manitowba and then married a local in or around Winnipeg. Do they live there now?Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-62057608689362452102016-04-13T21:01:04.694-06:002016-04-13T21:01:04.694-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-55971604682535460852016-04-13T17:17:15.013-06:002016-04-13T17:17:15.013-06:00Winnipeg is having their stake conference this wee...Winnipeg is having their stake conference this weekend, maybe they'll announce the Temple approval? it's funny i've seen stats saying their are over 4 thousand members living here, whereas in reality it's just over 3000 with about 1200 "active" and about 500 with recommends. I hope these 1200 mysterious members show up!Whizzbanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08999609207185818507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-70057550022053358402016-04-12T02:21:02.937-06:002016-04-12T02:21:02.937-06:00Ogden was reduced from about 130,000 SF to about 1...Ogden was reduced from about 130,000 SF to about 115,000 SF. The purpose for the renovation, given to those living in the temple district, was seismic. We expected because of that to hear that Provo would be rebuilt as well, but there hasn't been a mention of it yet. Although it was largely a seismic upgrade, the foundation was kept in order to work with the city on a remodel as opposed to a new-build. That was a 6-digit savings. The new exterior walls are cantilevered outside of the old foundation by 3 feet, so the footprint is larger at least. <br /><br />Speaking for myself alone, it was difficult to see the Ogden Temple look worse and worse as they cut the spire for an Angel Moroni statue that has no business being on some spires, and painted the spire white. It was a beautiful building inside even at the end. I was in the last volunteer group to clean it before it was torn down. The new interior is bland and since I am an interior designer and architect myself I don't mince words on this; someone was asleep at work and didn't care when they designed the new interior. My co-worker friends of other faiths thought the same; they made the openhouse trip and wished they hadn't. If I were still in the Ogden area I would go to Brigham City Temple, which was well done, or Bountiful just to not have heart ache for a temple I miss while looking at the new building, thinking the whole time how awful that someone went through the motions on something that sould be our best, even a sacrifice. Beige, beige, beige, beige.Graciehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522168841974301309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-46607941782361614042016-04-07T20:45:01.208-06:002016-04-07T20:45:01.208-06:00That is good news about a visitors center being ad...That is good news about a visitors center being added at the Sao Paulo Temple. I hope we see a visitors center at one of the temples in Lima as well.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-70499965128666626422016-04-07T20:44:49.644-06:002016-04-07T20:44:49.644-06:00That is good news about a visitors center being ad...That is good news about a visitors center being added at the Sao Paulo Temple. I hope we see a visitors center at one of the temples in Lima as well.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-17436017759040838642016-04-06T10:45:05.440-06:002016-04-06T10:45:05.440-06:00According to mormonsud.net, the patron housing at ...According to mormonsud.net, the patron housing at Sao Paulo is being converted into a Visitor's Center. Evidently, with the construction of other temples in the area (Campinas and Curitiba, and soon Rio de Janeiro), the patron housing is not being used consistently anymore. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16442440939577119581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-26459596629116972032016-04-06T03:39:14.420-06:002016-04-06T03:39:14.420-06:00Easier maybe, but not really cost effective.
The...Easier maybe, but not really cost effective. <br /><br />They enlarged the Ogden temple largely out of necessity. And, in that case, the enlargement was not nearly enough. I think it ended up costing the church enough for two temples, and they really could have used a second temple in the South Weber County or North Davis County areas. Even with the recent enlargement and the new Brigham City Temple, the Ogden Temple is literally busting at the seams from full capacity.<br /><br />In the future, I highly doubt we will see enlargements for any temples. After Ogden, I think it is clear the Church would rather just build a second temple in area if needed. Which is exactly what they did for Provo and, now, Lima.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-14471128691735837382016-04-05T12:11:35.344-06:002016-04-05T12:11:35.344-06:00Gilmer Texas has two wards largely as a legacy of ...Gilmer Texas has two wards largely as a legacy of Gilmer and Enoch. Those settlements were the brainchild of John H Morgan Southern States Mission as a way for the Saints in the south to benefit from joint association without having to go to a land with a different climate. I hope Gilmer will one day have a temple.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-10012667637868990132016-04-05T05:56:37.357-06:002016-04-05T05:56:37.357-06:00To continue with museums and visitors centers not ...To continue with museums and visitors centers not endorsed officially by the church, I just recently moved to the Dallas metro area and learned of a Mormon settlement in Kelsey, TX with a museum opened on Mondays only. I have yet to visit there but hope to soon. I know the town is now considered abandoned but there are some members that live nearby from what I have read that help maintain the place. I am very intrigued by the history there and I think it would be neat if the Church sponsored some kind of site there just to get a sense of the Mormon settlement life.Jim Coleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16301182000808820261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-65357238573929298232016-04-04T22:52:11.180-06:002016-04-04T22:52:11.180-06:00Depending on how space is counted, the 10,700 squa...Depending on how space is counted, the 10,700 square feet may be outdated for several of the temples built just around 2000. I know that the Detroit Temple that was dedicated in 1999 originally had a very small entrance way. A few years ago the entrance was changed, with much of the area that had been outdoor space under an overhang enclosed to be part of the temple building. I am not sure if this would count as increasing the space the temple covers.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-53227548318601637022016-04-04T22:49:00.081-06:002016-04-04T22:49:00.081-06:00Does anyone have good estimates of travel times to...Does anyone have good estimates of travel times to the temple for members in various parts of Lima. So is Lima the biggest city after Sao Paulo and Mexico City. I have to admit I did not realize it was quite that big.<br /><br />The Campinas Brazil Temple is barely outside of the Sao Paulo area. The travel distance from city to city there is 62 miles. Provo to Ogden is 81 miles. Las Vegas to St. George is 120 miles. <br /><br />If I run the states for Callao, I get 8 miles from Lima. Boise to Meridian gives me 9 miles. However Callao is not actually part of Lima. This is not to say I do not think it is possible a temple will be built there. What it is to say is that we do not yet know that Lima will be as it currently says in the Wikipedia article on the Lima Temple "the first city outside of Utah with two temples". <br /><br />Lima takes in just over 1 thousand square miles. Boise has 80 square miles. So if Boise had annexed as much of its urban area as has Lima, than the Meridian Temple would probably be within Boise's boundaries. In fact Lima has an area of 1,031 square miles to Ada County, Idaho, where both Boise and Meridian are, having an area of 1,053. However Boise and Meridian are both located in the norther half if not less of the area of Ada County. The only city that is close to the southern part of the county is Kuna, which went from 5,000 people in 2000 to 15,000 in 2010. I remain unconvinced that what is going on in Lima is unique outside Utah, at least until we get good info.<br /><br />John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-42954388826078844502016-04-04T22:22:17.871-06:002016-04-04T22:22:17.871-06:00However is the Ciudad Juarez Temple is a part of C...However is the Ciudad Juarez Temple is a part of Ciudad Juarez with high crime (although maybe there are not low crime parts of the city, but I expect there are). I know when the Ogden Temple was built some were surprised it was built in the central part of the city, which had a historical reputation for high crime rates.<br /><br />I could see the Church placing the 2nd temple in Lima by the airport. I noticed in reading about the Lisbon Temple it is being built just a metro stop or two from the airport. This will make the journey there much easier for the members from Capo Verde and also those from the Azores and Maidera, the latter two groups unlikely to get a temple in the foreseable future, Capo Verde more likely to get a temple, but probably not announced until after Lisbon is done.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-994400265210788122016-04-04T22:17:35.362-06:002016-04-04T22:17:35.362-06:00The Aba Nigeria Temple also has patron housing. Ev...The Aba Nigeria Temple also has patron housing. Even though it is in eastern Nigeria, nor far from the Cameroon border, the actual travel time for a group coming from Cameroon to the temple was 64 hours to get there per this blog post http://www.bsmarkham.com/mission/Africa/Aug%2005/aba.html It might be less if one travled in the dry season, assuming there is such a think in Nigeria and Cameroon.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-91757352224409684272016-04-04T21:51:55.140-06:002016-04-04T21:51:55.140-06:00Back to my Patron Housing question, the Bern Switz...Back to my Patron Housing question, the Bern Switzerland Temple has listed on its website contact information for patron housing. Madrid Spain Temple has patron housing in the complex that includes the temple. Same with the Taipei Thailand and Sydney Australia Temples. <br /><br />I found this facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pages/LDS-L-A-Temple-Patrons-Apartments/117454491607507 for LDS LA Temple Patrons Apartments. However it may not be directly owned and operated by the Church like the units I have mentioned earlier.<br /><br />Frieberg Germany Temple also has Patron Housing. The Hong Kong Temple also operates Temple Patron Housing. <br /><br />The two temples in Britain and the Tokyo Temple also have Patron housing facilities. <br /><br />So do the Tegucigalpa Temple in Honduras, the Cebu City Temple. Mexico City Temple does as well. Apparently so do the Kyiv Temple, the Helsinki Temple and the Quezaltenango Guatemala Temple. The Accra Ghana Temple also has patron housing.<br /><br />Whether a temple has patron housing may be a deciding factor in choosing a temple that takes longer to get to. The Manila Temple also has Patron housing. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-71249443235055853332016-04-04T21:37:11.283-06:002016-04-04T21:37:11.283-06:00I did have a district leader on my mission whose p...I did have a district leader on my mission whose parents operated an LDS-themed bookstore near the Orlando Florida Temple. In Mexico City some Church members went a step further and set up a Museum of Mexican Mormon history by the temple. <br /><br />In some cases, such as I believe Ogden, there is a large Family History Center near the Temple even though there is not a visitors center.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-9936274364169256802016-04-04T21:33:02.187-06:002016-04-04T21:33:02.187-06:00This list https://www.lds.org/locations/visitors-c...This list https://www.lds.org/locations/visitors-centers?lang=eng does show the Portland Temple Visitors Center. It also shows the Hyde Park Chapel in London.<br /><br />I still have to say considering how many people visit New York City and how many people live there, it might make sense to have a visitors center there. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-11125493277099859742016-04-04T21:29:11.490-06:002016-04-04T21:29:11.490-06:00Looking at the site, Hill Cumorah does have the Pe...Looking at the site, Hill Cumorah does have the PeterWHitmer Farm in Fayette listed under it. Ah, I found the Historic Sites page. So these are sites not ranking as visitors centers. <br /><br />One place I had never heard of before is the Cody Murals Chapel in Cody Wyoming. In the dome of the chapel there are scenes from the first 70 years of LDS Church history. The site provides no information on tours or visiting times. The Joseph Smith Birthplace also seems to not rank as Visitors Center level. I think I have come across somewhere someone expressing hope a temple would be built on that site. It is possible, Nauvoo probably would never have been built on local membership considerations alone, but while maybe it would be the chosen site for a temple to cover Vermont and Western Massachusetts, I still expect the next temple in New England after Hartford to be in Maine. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-2827942449533165332016-04-04T21:22:57.346-06:002016-04-04T21:22:57.346-06:00Another interesting list is temples with visitors ...Another interesting list is temples with visitors centers. I know London England; Washington, DC; Mexico City; Salt Lake City; Los Angeles; Hamilton, New Zealand; Mesa, Arizona; Idaho Falls and Laie, Hawaii all have visitors centers. I am thinking Oakland, California might as well. Nauvoo, Palmyra and Winter Quarters are all essentially connected to visitors centers, although in those cases the visitors centers pre-date the temples. I believe St. George Temple has a visitors center, at least the Church operates visitors center like things in St. George. In San Diego the church operates a Mormon Battalion related visitors center, but I don't think there is a temple visitors center. So London, Mexico and New Zealand may be the only ones outside the US, with Rome soon to be added. I just did a google search and found references to the Portland Temple Visitors Center. However Portland does not appear here http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/visitors-centers on the Mormon Newsroom Visitors Center list (nor does Winter Quarters, San Diego Mormon Battalion Site, or the Handcart Company site in Wyoming. The Nauvoo, Palmyra, Kirtland and Inpendence operations may well have oversight for places like Carthage, Fayette, the John Johnson Farm in Hiram, and Liberty Jail/Far West/Adam-Ondi-Ahman to name related unlisted sites. I am a bit surprised to not see the Priesthood Restoration Site. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-88645675464785116552016-04-04T21:11:41.622-06:002016-04-04T21:11:41.622-06:00Does anyone have a clue how many temples have faci...Does anyone have a clue how many temples have facilities to house temple patrons. I know they have such at the Santiago Chile Temple, and I know they are building housing for patrons as part of the Rome Italy Temple. I am pretty sure it exists for other temples as well, but have no clue which temples might have it.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-17806838862584335542016-04-04T21:10:21.473-06:002016-04-04T21:10:21.473-06:00I just noticed that both Burundi and Rwanda have 3...I just noticed that both Burundi and Rwanda have 3 branches. I am wondering if either place is close to having a district. Also in the case of Burundi, has missionary work returned to normal since the violence that I seem to recall caused the Church to withdraw missionaries last year.<br /><br />I also wonder what the changes are that 2017 will see a mission formed in either Burundi or Rwanda taking in both of them, or maybe in north-east Democratic Republic of the Congo taking in Rwanda and Burundi, or depending on how things are progressing with the East African Union, maybe a mission in Tanzania taking in Rwanda and Burundi as well.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-30101233402930965152016-04-04T20:50:17.869-06:002016-04-04T20:50:17.869-06:00Seoul has 28,000 square feet compared to 9600 for ...Seoul has 28,000 square feet compared to 9600 for Lima. I don't think they are all that comparable in size.<br /><br />The Buenos Aires Argentina Temple used to be the same size as Lima but was expanded. It is now about 17,600 square feet.Mike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10025612146815804945noreply@blogger.com