tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post4249218508933483757..comments2024-03-19T01:34:05.989-06:00Comments on Growth of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church): Updates to LDS International Atlas - Number of Active MembersMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16030323360917985701noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-21225038611329596372017-02-03T19:47:54.807-07:002017-02-03T19:47:54.807-07:00I just posted my 3 sentance history of the LDS Chu...I just posted my 3 sentance history of the LDS Church on my blog. http://michiganmormondefender.blogspot.com/John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-6885166547629730032017-02-02T02:55:49.473-07:002017-02-02T02:55:49.473-07:00James Anderson, my thanks to you for your comments...James Anderson, my thanks to you for your comments about other factors that might affect where and when temples are announced. I also enjoyed hearing of the numbers you cited for ordinances done.<br /><br />John, thanks to you for your unit creation updates. Levi, regarding your comment about units being renamed more frequently of late, the intent of the renaming of the units in Henderson appears to be due to the fact that the geographic area to which the name of the unit applied was transferred to the new stake, making it necessary to select a more apropos name for the stake from which it was transferred. I would have to do more research on this to be certain, but that seems to be a logical conclusion.<br /><br />coachodeeps, I can always depend on you to correct or clarify points that I have missed or overlooked. I don't think that periods of time in which no temples were being built technically "counts" against that statement. But the other "breaks" you mentioned are most valid observations. Perhaps I should amend that statement to read "the first time in Church history in a very long time." Is that wording more agreeable to you? That said, thanks for the information.<br /><br />And twinnumerouno, while I am not sure whether I made such a statement in reference to temples constructed in Utah, that is some great information. I enjoyed reading it very much. Any way you slice it, though, it will be somewhat unprecedented if no new temples are announced either in the US in general or in Utah in particular before these others are completed. No one will ever convince me that that is a bad thing. <br /><br />I have heard accusations before to the effect that this Church is merely a "Utah Church" or a "United States" Church. But such accusations have no basis in actual fact. Just look at the temples that have been announced in the last five years or so. In 2012, we had two, one each within and outside of the US; in 2013, we had another two, again, one inside and one outside the US; 2014 marked a hiatus year as temple announcements were put on hold; and all seven of the temples announced within the last two years have been for outside the United States. So of the 11 announced this year, only 2 were in the US. And that is amazing to think about. <br /><br />This raises the likelihood of President Monson announcing new temples in the United States. Is it certain to happen that way? The only absolutely certain thing about such temple announcements is that we can't be absolutely certain that any location is any less likely than others. It will be interesting to see. I have before offered my opinion on the locations I feel are most likely imminent for a future temple, and I would be happy to do so again at some point for those who have not had a chance to read or comment on any of my selections. But for now, these are my main thoughts. Thanks.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-87086979891505984092017-02-02T02:53:43.133-07:002017-02-02T02:53:43.133-07:00I left this thread for a time because I had to ten...I left this thread for a time because I had to tend to other responsibilities. Just a couple of comments. In regards to Nigeria's next temple, it may have been earlier on in this very thread that I voiced the thought that one could be built in any of the three cities that seem to have the most significant Church presence, and those were the three mentioned above. Given what I have observed in this regard, it seems evident that we could easily see temples in all three locations before too long. As to which one of the three might be most likely or most imminent, I have no thoughts on that point. That is why, unless there are some very outstanding developments in any of these three that would raise the likely probability of one of them, I believe any of the three are equally possible. I welcome disagreements on that point, but those are my thoughts, such as they are.<br /><br />As far as other temples in Africa, I have felt confident enough to list among those I feel are most imminent temples in all three nations above: Nairobi (in Kenya; such a temple was proposed by President Hinckley almost 20 years ago. And yes, in the same breath, I do acknowledge that a temple proposal says nothing about its near future likelihood. That said, Kenya is, according to the most recent information provided here, the tenth city rounding out the top ten that have the greatest Church presence without a temple); Uganda (in Kampala; which is by the same above-mentioned report the eight in terms of greatest Church presence without a temple; also, a close friend of mine has done extensive welfare and charitable work in Uganda and speaks so highly of the people there, the Church members especially, that it gives me equally high hopes that they will be blessed with a temple); and in Sierra Leone (the same report indicates that this African city has the distinction of having the sixth strongest Church presence without a temple). It is interesting to note that, of the seven most recent temples announced, two of those have been in Africa, one has been in Asia, one in the Pacific, and the other 3 have been in South America. We are seeing multiple temples simultaneously announced on the same continent. If any new temples are announced, there is so very much more than a slight possibility that we could see at least one for Africa, maybe more.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-1035897928857321772017-01-31T17:21:21.027-07:002017-01-31T17:21:21.027-07:00Also I notice that there have been several times w...Also I notice that there have been several times with 3 or more Utah temples announced or under construction at the same time:<br />1. 1876-1877 (Salt Lake and Saint George under construction, Logan and Manti announced)<br />2. 1994-1995 (Bountiful and Mt Timpanogos under construction, Vernal announced)<br />3. 2011-2012 (Brigham City and Payson under construction, Provo City Center announced)<br />4. 2013-2015 (Payson and Provo City Center under construction, Cedar City announced)twinnumerounohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05339551175116474947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-89252328761070265642017-01-31T17:10:14.691-07:002017-01-31T17:10:14.691-07:00If I have figured correctly, there have also been ...If I have figured correctly, there have also been several gaps in Utah temple projects. First from 1893-1967 (Salt Lake dedicated/Provo announced), then 1972-1978 (Provo dedicated/Jordan River announced), then 1981-1990 (Jordan River dedicated/Bountiful announced). Next from 1998-2004 (Monticello dedicated/Draper announced). Finally, for six weeks in 2009 (between the dedication of Oquirrh Mountain and the announcement of Brigham City).twinnumerounohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05339551175116474947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-1394349676324184912017-01-30T21:26:31.368-07:002017-01-30T21:26:31.368-07:00It was mentioned that after the Jordan River and C...It was mentioned that after the Jordan River and Cedar City temples are dedicated, there will be no temples under construction or being renovated or announced in Utah is or the US and this would be the first time in Church history. I am sure there were other times this happened. For one, between Kirtland and the temples in the Nauvoo Era there was no temple building. Again between Nauvoo and the beginning of the Salt Lake Temple. Again between the Salt Lake Temple dedication on April 6th, 1896 and the Laie Hawaii Temple announcement and again after the dedication of the Mesa Arizona Temple in Oct 1927. There was a nearly 10 year break until March 1937 when the Idaho Falls Temple was announced.<br /><br />There was another break from March 1956 after the Los Angeles Temple was dedicated until Jan 1961 when the Oakland Temple was announced. Oakland was dedicate Nov 1964, and the the announcement of the Provo Utah Temple in Nov 1967 ended that gap.<br /><br />There was a year between the dedication of the Washington DC Temple in Nov 1974 and the announcement of the Seattle Washington Temple in Nov 1975.coachodeepshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08168822498180000486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-18916286870382810322017-01-30T20:32:26.077-07:002017-01-30T20:32:26.077-07:00Four new wards. Kajjansi 1, Ntinda, Mengo, and ...Four new wards. Kajjansi 1, Ntinda, Mengo, and Mutungo2Free Walburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16929568259956454428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-44989028198648190382017-01-30T19:26:58.149-07:002017-01-30T19:26:58.149-07:00I would be interested to see how the Kampala Stake...I would be interested to see how the Kampala Stake split would work out, given that the stake had 7 wards and 5 branches prior to splitting. I would assume 3 more wards were also created.<br /><br />Also, it looks like the Tegucigalpa Loarque Stake split to form the Tegucigalpa Honduras Roble Oeste Stake.Ryan Searcyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03492045549474456000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-71922170834677602722017-01-30T17:09:43.442-07:002017-01-30T17:09:43.442-07:00Matt, the link of the Russian units is fantastic, ...Matt, the link of the Russian units is fantastic, thanks. I think I recall seeing it before. I can't help but wonder why so many of the units have 219 members. Is that arbitrary?<br /><br />But yes, this is a great map and stats our future growth and the globe.<br /><br />Quick count of units with no members: 40? Maybe we have 49 with LDS membership?<br /><br />https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=45.866724358284166%2C50.10040270703121&spn=30.675957%2C93.076172&msa=0&z=5&mid=1FmoLxtgoJIoyWQqqJjciCEOQOi0Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-23314498623105915032017-01-30T16:37:10.839-07:002017-01-30T16:37:10.839-07:00There seems to be a lot of ward and stake renaming...There seems to be a lot of ward and stake renaming going on recently. Anybody know why?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16209264963980372269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-76313966386232014532017-01-30T10:58:31.003-07:002017-01-30T10:58:31.003-07:00New wards were formed yesterday in South Jordan an...New wards were formed yesterday in South Jordan and Santaquin. I would not be surprised if Santaquin sees a new stake this year. <br /><br />Also Stillwater Oklahoma Stake got a new ward. That beings it to 11 wards and 4 branches. I expect to see it split.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-70764838482411789512017-01-30T10:18:07.174-07:002017-01-30T10:18:07.174-07:00One of the other things that goes into placing a n...One of the other things that goes into placing a new temple is how many members will be needed with rotation, move-ins, move-outs, illnesses, etc., to run it. Provo's temples take combined over 5,000 and that is up from before Provo City Center opened.<br /><br />I also came across a stat regarding averages for ordinances, they run about 700 male initiatories a day in Provo City Center, and the day after Christmas or the next, unsure which, they had ten live sealings.<br />James Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831340842937216806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-45147902464163126272017-01-29T20:44:28.410-07:002017-01-29T20:44:28.410-07:00I still think Kenya is more likely. Kenya has had ...I still think Kenya is more likely. Kenya has had a stake much longer and I would not be surprised if it makes it to 4 stakes soon.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-67325738226086305662017-01-29T20:42:14.659-07:002017-01-29T20:42:14.659-07:00I still think Kenya is more likely. Kenya has had ...I still think Kenya is more likely. Kenya has had a stake much longer and I would not be surprised if it makes it to 4 stakes soon.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-52609103867008696322017-01-29T20:40:15.678-07:002017-01-29T20:40:15.678-07:00The thing is the security issues in Nigeria are mo...The thing is the security issues in Nigeria are most pronounced in the north and then next most prononced in the south-east where the Aba Temple is. Benin City and Lagos has essentially no security issues. There are still more stakes in Benin City alone than in all of Kenya and Nigeria combined.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-86541382155643856692017-01-29T20:36:58.537-07:002017-01-29T20:36:58.537-07:00I would say Benin City is most likely although I c...I would say Benin City is most likely although I could see Lagos and Benin City both. Port Harcout is less than 50 miles from Aba so I dont see it getting a temple in the near future. I am guessing Abuja will have a temple before Port Harcourt.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-26467051923819337332017-01-29T20:34:40.757-07:002017-01-29T20:34:40.757-07:00This is wonderful news. I am very hopeful either K...This is wonderful news. I am very hopeful either Kenya or Uganda will have a temple announced in April.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-18758217915415093402017-01-29T19:00:55.420-07:002017-01-29T19:00:55.420-07:00When stacks splat.Reminds me of the first time tha...When stacks splat.Reminds me of the first time that I read Annie Dillard. Good 'ole rustic Ainglish.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-48170411955403231772017-01-29T17:18:10.927-07:002017-01-29T17:18:10.927-07:00I don't think it's anything majer, but sti...I don't think it's anything majer, but still seems a litter odd, if it wasn't for the rumes in the arie I might think nothing of it,<br />But first last week was would conference in my ward and it was announced that the stake wented to have all the ward/branch counfericees finished my the end of January,witch has never happened and today it was announced that there would be a special stake counferice on February 19th in my stack the Panama city stake as will there would be one in the Tallahassee stake the sameday,with a member of the arie presdince at each stack.<br />There has been a lot of talk on what's going to happen when the new meeting house is finished in Tallahassee the elders in my ward say it is going to be a stack center, and it is known that the Tallahassee stake has a stoung active membership with a lot of members, and the new stack center if that's what's it is going to be, is clouse by about in hour to 2 wards and a branch then they will be to the Panama city stack center, and it's a stoung belefe that if Tallahassee is to splat all 3 would go to Tallahassee. <br />If it wasn't for all the talking about some maje changers that are about to happen in the stack,and alk the things that seem to be odd in the arie I wouldn't think anything of it, but everything has gotten me thinking.<br />I will post when I learn mere about the counferice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06866803914250258395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-6293858559518969842017-01-29T17:17:14.690-07:002017-01-29T17:17:14.690-07:00Awesome. I hope and pray that there will be more g...Awesome. I hope and pray that there will be more growth on the eastern side of the African continent. I pray for a temple in Kenya or Uganda or both soon. In West Africa I hope that Sierra Leone will have a temple announced the next few years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-87808018365196943852017-01-29T16:11:56.846-07:002017-01-29T16:11:56.846-07:00Matt, this brings Uganda to three stakes. Exciting...Matt, this brings Uganda to three stakes. Exciting news! I think that a temple in Uganda is roughly as likely as one in Kenya right now, although it would probably serve both countries at some point. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06263568434057394615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-7209877337401643622017-01-29T12:30:02.511-07:002017-01-29T12:30:02.511-07:00My guess would be
Lagos
Benin City or
Port Harcou...My guess would be <br />Lagos<br />Benin City or<br />Port Harcourt<br />Bryansb1984https://www.blogger.com/profile/01188210431454868034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-2858555121300138042017-01-29T11:49:55.205-07:002017-01-29T11:49:55.205-07:00Kampala Uganda South Stake created January 22nd, 2...Kampala Uganda South Stake created January 22nd, 2017.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16030323360917985701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-29055356241302735992017-01-29T11:19:28.125-07:002017-01-29T11:19:28.125-07:00L. Chris Jones, Nigeria has been one of my top 10 ...L. Chris Jones, Nigeria has been one of my top 10 picks for most likely spots for a new temple for years now. The Aba temple is a small temple that covers 42 stakes and 16 districts. Further, their schedule of up to 6 sessions per day is consistent with small temples in the US known to be busy such as Spokane. Plus, Africa is growing rapidly, and Nigeria is the only temple district in Africa that isn't getting 1-3 new temples. I've seen plenty of discussion on this forum about whether Lagos or Benin City will be the next temple site. I personally lean toward Benin City as it has had more consistent growth and has more stakes, but I wouldn't be surprised by either and only mildly surprised by both. The presence of 4 other temples being built in Africa at the moment, significant security concerns in the last decade, and the fact that the Aba district is much smaller than the Accra or Johannesburg districts in size all mean that it may still be a couple conferences (and temple dedications) before it's announced, and Kenya at least may beat it to the punch as the next Africa temple, but I have no doubt that Nigeria will one day get a second temple.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03356432858705156856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-58032837632840559172017-01-29T10:42:59.980-07:002017-01-29T10:42:59.980-07:00Anyone think that Nigeria would have a second or t...Anyone think that Nigeria would have a second or third temple announced? The Aba Nigeria Temple is small but has a lot of stakes especially in relation to its size. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com