tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post199211086014115650..comments2024-03-29T00:47:42.684-06:00Comments on Growth of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church): New Temple Prediction Map - September 2015 EditionMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16030323360917985701noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-35131959977695078722016-04-03T11:12:22.589-06:002016-04-03T11:12:22.589-06:00I don't know about 8 stakes being the magic nu...I don't know about 8 stakes being the magic number. Colorado has 30 stakes and currently only one (small) temple - another one is under construction, but that still leaves 15 stakes per temple.VnHornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05384865647353896653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-73254055342921879542016-01-17T12:13:15.441-07:002016-01-17T12:13:15.441-07:00This is a really interesting discussion, and I lov...This is a really interesting discussion, and I love the map you made. President Monson's 200 mile goal definitely adds some perspective, so I think temples in Managua and Brasilia make the most sense. Nicaragua has 4 times as many stakes and members as any other country without a temple. The next most populous (by members) country without a temple is Papua New Guinea, with 2 stakes and 23,000 members.<br /><br />Besides that, I have been looking at mormonnewsroom.com to see what countries have the highest ratios of members per temple. Even after the currently announced temples are completed, there will still be six countries with 200,000+ members per temple (in order): Chile, Philippines, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia. As was mentioned, they will probably finish building temples in Chile and the Philippines before they announce more. So, looking at that list, I would add Neuquén (which would serve all of southern Chile and Argentina) and Quito to Managua and Brasilia.Wesley Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05505087133663732502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-44441878693507680742015-10-23T21:08:59.964-06:002015-10-23T21:08:59.964-06:00I do not think Culiacan is easily accessible to To...I do not think Culiacan is easily accessible to Torreon; I think that Guadalajara or even Hermosillo temples are closer to Sinaloa stakes. Perhaps a temple in Durango would best serve the most Mexican Saints, helping both sides of Torreon get better distances to temples and coastal stakes and districts of the Pacific. <br />I think a La Paz , BCS temple would be fantastic to help those isolated members not have to take a boat and drive more in order to attend.<br />South of there looks to get hard by this hurricane-.I hope they are prepared and our faith and organization helps them.Eduardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05019747288076783700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-10705286591194104582015-10-01T09:31:20.274-06:002015-10-01T09:31:20.274-06:00Tooele, Utah?? Yessss!Tooele, Utah?? Yessss!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946311495749506797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-24610632679252431112015-09-30T11:16:02.805-06:002015-09-30T11:16:02.805-06:00My dark horse for Mexico remains Queretaro. Torre...My dark horse for Mexico remains Queretaro. Torreon is also a distinct possibility (5 stakes in the metro plus additional stakes in Durango and Zacatecas state).<br /><br />Puebla is going to go through some tough times with the VW scandal. There have already been 35000 job cuts as a result of the scandal. And the other automobile companies decided to evade Puebla after Puebla's governor decided to scrap them for AUDI (which is a VW subsidiary).<br /><br />While I would not be surprised if a temple were announced for Puebla, I don't see that happening until VW gets back on its feet. The fact that the temple is on the east side of Mexico City is another negative for Puebla (though access to the temple from the east is sketchy due to many poor barrios on that side of town).<br /><br />Querétaro is a city that is growing fast, and like neighboring Hidalgo state (where Pachuca is located) is right now enjoying consistent Church growth on a scale not seen in Puebla (where the southern half grew modestly, the north has been STAGNANT for the past five years). If you count the Hidalgo stakes (easy access via Arco Norte), the Guanajuato stakes (which are on the verge of dividing in the cases of León and Celaya), San Luis Potosi, you have more stakes than what you have in Puebla and Tlaxcala combined. Not to mention it is VERY well connected with GDL, MEX, and MTY. You could even get the Toluca stakes involved there as it is not far and traffic crossing Mexico City to the temple is very busy (and Toluca is also growing nicely).<br /><br />Torreón has five stakes in its immediate area, is relatively far away from Monterrey, and like Queretaro, has good connections with Juarez, Monterrey, Culiacan, and points further south. There are also stakes in nearby areas such as Durango city and Zacatecas city. You could even grab the Delicias stake in southern Chihuahua and the Bermejillo and Madero Districts (the latter which is close to stakehood).<br /><br />Culiacán is a possibility but there are only three stakes in the city and seven total in Sinaloa state. Growth has been comparatively stagnant in Sinaloa state, so I would lean more Torreón.Bryan Dormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12260239058235089111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-62854942008855381482015-09-29T21:48:23.636-06:002015-09-29T21:48:23.636-06:00A Richmond Virginia Temple will not be announced u...A Richmond Virginia Temple will not be announced until after the Philadelphia Temple is completed. Both temples will take a lot of stakes away from the Washington DC Temple and I think the Church will want to wait and see how the Philadelphia Temple affects the DC Temple. Fredrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00877765826416836325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-79351524671525055682015-09-29T16:11:08.105-06:002015-09-29T16:11:08.105-06:00Also, why are so many people thinking a Jacksonvil...Also, why are so many people thinking a Jacksonville temple will happen soon? Orlando is a fairly large temple that was designed to be fairly central in Florida, and it recently lost a bunch of stakes to Ft. Lauderdale, leaving it with only 20 stakes in the district as of today. Jacksonville is not in an area with tons of growth (only 1 stake created in a potential Jacksonville district since 1994), and it would be in an awkward area at the edge of its district, since it would probably not take anything as far north as the Macon Georgia Stake away from Atlanta. Also, unlike Fort Lauderdale, which had Miami stakes over 200 miles away from Orlando and a branch in Key West that had an 8-hour one-way commute to their temple, Jacksonville is only 140 miles away from Orlando along a freeway (I-95) that's almost a straight shot. Since Tallahassee/the panhandle doesn't make any more sense to me as a northern Florida temple site, if I were going to put a temple in northern Florida with the current stake load, I'd probably put it somewhere more central like Gainesville (home of the University of Florida), where it could more centrally serve the Tallahassee and Jacksonville areas. However, unless Orlando is a LOT busier than I think it is, the stake growth is slow enough that I just don't see a northern Florida temple happening in the next 5-10 years.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03356432858705156856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-39537294089901993602015-09-29T15:54:49.470-06:002015-09-29T15:54:49.470-06:00Everyone has had interesting things to add which h...Everyone has had interesting things to add which have changed my predictions. Thank you! As of right now, this is my top 10 for most likely temples to be announced, and even with 3 apostles being called at the same time for the first time since polygamy was a thing, I still think we'll see about 2 temples announced.<br /><br />1. Lehi area, Utah<br />2. Richmond, Virginia<br />3. Managua, Nicaragua<br />4. Clearfield area, Utah<br />5. Brasilia, Brazil<br />6. Praia, Cape Verde<br />7. Puebla, Mexico<br />8. Auckland, New Zealand<br />9. Salvador, Brazil<br />10. Bentonville area, Arkansas<br /><br />Dark horse: Hyderabad, IndiaAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03356432858705156856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-25935492247900176782015-09-29T12:50:37.060-06:002015-09-29T12:50:37.060-06:00My picks:
1. Layton, Utah
2. Managua, Nicaragua
...My picks:<br />1. Layton, Utah<br />2. Managua, Nicaragua<br />3. Brasília, BrazilCliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07774512400512475807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-61629809462724088102015-09-28T14:30:31.706-06:002015-09-28T14:30:31.706-06:00The Tokyo Temple building does contain an apartmen...The Tokyo Temple building does contain an apartment for the Temple President.dSquaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716592610911040703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-32146806038273348972015-09-20T22:21:03.593-06:002015-09-20T22:21:03.593-06:00Here http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865636455/...Here http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865636455/Hundreds-serving-in-Family-and-Church-History-Headquarters-Mission.html is an interesting article on the Family and Church History Headquarters Mission. This is the mission my grandparents served in (specifically with the Church History Department). The current mission president was my mission president in Las Vegas back in 2000-2002 (he was there 1999-2002). In one comment on this I wrote "the lady in the white in this picture was my mission president's wife" and then I had to explain she is still his wife, but I use the past tense because of that actually being her title more or less. We need a better one than mission president's wife. Back in the 1930s the title was Mission Relief Society President. However at that time missions only covered areas where there were no stakes.<br /><br />I am not sure why the mission has young single elders but apparently not young single sisters. Maybe because sisters are not expected to serve full time missions it is not felt there is a need to find service missions for those who cannot meet the health requirements of full-time missionaries. On the other hand I do know that visitor center assignments are only given to single sisters, not to elders. I am not sure if any of these would be considered doable by people with challenges that might prevent other missions. Are there young single sisters serving Church Service missions?John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-84816554612631817242015-09-20T21:24:47.302-06:002015-09-20T21:24:47.302-06:00My point is now that we have speakers at general c...My point is now that we have speakers at general conference in Cantonese, Spanish, Portuguese and maybe other languages, the next step would seem to be to have general conference originate in multiple locations. I am not thinking quite on the level of the Young Adult Devotionals which are totally held out of changing locations. More like having remote origination of part of the conference.<br /><br />This was actually done with the April 1980 conference, where some of it originated from Manchester, New York. While in theory there would is the technology to fully involve people throughout the world in all the build-up meetings, there is some benefit to having the church leaders all physically present in Salt Lake City, and able to not only have meetings where they converse, but interact in less formal settings. So I don't see the major step forward having Elder Benjamin de Hoyos or Elder Jorge Zeballos originate their talks in Mexico or Chile respectively. I think the first step forward we could take would be having a choir at a remote location. To date it seems all the choirs performing at General Conference have been from either Utah or Idaho and overwhelmingly made up of white people. If we want General Conference to truly have a worldwide feel and show the worldwide Church it would help to have a choir from Nigeria, Mexico, Brazil or Chile. John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-36892069382621090362015-09-20T21:17:00.251-06:002015-09-20T21:17:00.251-06:00Now that general authorities are permitted to give...Now that general authorities are permitted to give their talks in a language other than English and have it translated (I still am not 100% convinced Elder Wong was the first speaker to give an address in general conference not in English. Back in the 19th-century general conference involved a lot of non-general authority speakers. actually at times even people not members of the Church gave talks at general conference. I know such Native American converts to the Church as Sagowitz (leader of the Shoshone in Northern Utah, who was involved in building the Logan Temple) and Chief Tuba came to Salt Lake City, and may have even spoken at the tabernacle. They would speak in their native language and have an interpreter. I believe Jonathan Napela may have done the same when he visited Utah. I am not sure any of these gave a sermon at general conference, but I am also not sure we have complete records to say one way or the other. I know in the early 20th-century there would be seperate sermons given to the overflow crowds in the Assembly Hall. As late as the 1930s generally all currently serving mission presidents based in the US would be among the speakers at general conference. For this reason Bryan S. Hinckley (President Hicnkley's father) spoke at general conference multiple times.<br /><br />John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-83936898307142317032015-09-20T21:06:06.864-06:002015-09-20T21:06:06.864-06:00So last week for the first time they held the Youn...So last week for the first time they held the Young Adult devotional in a building that includes a temple. <br /><br />I believe the March 2000 CES devotional given by President Packer at the McKay Events Center on the UVSC (now UVU and the building was renamed too) campus was the first one to be held in a place other than the BYU Marriott Center. To be fair the CES/Young Adult firesides only date back to about 1992. Before that there were firesides for all the BYU stakes, and in about 1992 they changed to being more inclusive, but I believe always originated at BYU until that one at UVSC. I walked all the way from my dorm at BYU to the devotional. On the way I realized that UVSC was further than I had anticipated. I might have got a ride back from someone I knew, I don't remember for sure either way.<br /><br />I am really glad to hear they did one in New York. I think they at one point did one in Canada. Have any others been from outside the US. I know some have originated from the Conference Center in SLC and there was one from Moscow, Idaho. I believe there may have been one from Tempe, Arizona. I wonder if anyone has a list.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-57947976364416291432015-09-20T20:54:18.951-06:002015-09-20T20:54:18.951-06:00None that I am aware of.
Last week we had a histo...None that I am aware of.<br /><br />Last week we had a historic first that went unnoticed by almost everyone, including the leaders involved. They held the Worldwide Devotional for Young Adults (formerly called CES Devotionals) in the chapel that is in the same building as the Manhattan Temple. The main part of the temple is directly above that chapel, which is a large multipurpose room, they can close off the area with the rostrum, choir seats, and pipe organ for other activities outside Sunday meetings, there were no pews, just folding chairs.<br /><br />The baptistry and some other things are in the basement part of that building.<br /> James Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831340842937216806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-68761427801843182862015-09-20T11:22:43.052-06:002015-09-20T11:22:43.052-06:00Upgraded buildings repurposed as temples include V...Upgraded buildings repurposed as temples include Vernal Utah, Copenhagen Denmark, Manhattan NY, and Provo City Center. Multipurpose buildings with temples are Hong Kong, Fukuoka, Manhattan, and speculation is the Bankock Thailand temple might be a multipurpose building with temple. Are there any others?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-79717008965118941812015-09-20T11:18:25.732-06:002015-09-20T11:18:25.732-06:00Lower level of Fukuoka Japan has the temple pres a...Lower level of Fukuoka Japan has the temple pres apartment, mission office and mission home and parking structure. Philadelphia original was planned to be a multipurpose building. But after moving plans changed. A meetong house and high rise building is being built across the the street. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-16140636952699549102015-09-20T10:25:50.245-06:002015-09-20T10:25:50.245-06:00The Detroit Temple was built on the same site as t...The Detroit Temple was built on the same site as the Bloomfield Hills Stake Center, which is smaller. This was doable because the stake center was built in the 1950s on one side of the land because there were plans to sell the other half at some point that never happened. So it might be possible to build a temple in Santa Barbara on the same principal, adding to the existing site. That would probably be easier to get approved, especially if smaller than the existing building, than building at a new site. I know the Phoenix Temple was built next to an existing LDS Chapel. I seem to recall the Brigham City Temple was also an example of such. Are there others? John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-35949241055108495492015-09-20T10:22:21.098-06:002015-09-20T10:22:21.098-06:00Manhattan Temple is actually a 4th example of upgr...Manhattan Temple is actually a 4th example of upgrading an existing building to be a temple, although also taking in the Hong Kong Temple plan of having a temple as only part of an entire structure. I think this was also used in the Fukuoka Temple, although there I believe the temple presidents residence is the only non-temple part of the building. At first I was under the impression Philadelphia Temple would have a chapel within the same building, but I am not sure if that is how it will happen. <br /><br />I wonder if the Paris Temple is the temple that has had the most different sites sought?John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-74711510473508009412015-09-18T23:34:15.777-06:002015-09-18T23:34:15.777-06:00I always love reading about Matt's predictions...I always love reading about Matt's predictions for new temples. I love to share them with my blog readers. I have made some predictions for the upcoming conference as well. To view my predictions, as well as an analysis of them, please go to the following link: http://stokessoundsoff.blogspot.com/2015/09/general-conference-predictions.html. Thanks in advance to all who will read my predictions.James G. Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13331619300918542708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-35707691885600699082015-09-17T23:56:28.888-06:002015-09-17T23:56:28.888-06:00thank you for considering Philippinesthank you for considering PhilippinesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018855297685309717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-52331333112852754202015-09-17T09:45:28.517-06:002015-09-17T09:45:28.517-06:00Where did Guam come from? The Church is small the...Where did Guam come from? The Church is small there, and it's only a three-hour flight from Manila.<br /><br />I'll guess that they will announce a temple in Davao (or maybe Cagayan de Oro) soon, but not at this conference. The construction of the previously announced temple has been delayed because they have to find a new site. I think they will want to get that one done because building two temples at the same time in the Philippines could overstretch capacity.<br /><br />Thanks for going out on a limb every six months with your predictions.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02520809381810603261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-8706020184657534372015-09-17T01:38:44.526-06:002015-09-17T01:38:44.526-06:00Actually, a majority of the Santa Barbara Ward is ...Actually, a majority of the Santa Barbara Ward is closer to the Goleta Chapel, whereas the extreme east part of the Santa Barbara Ward (Montecito) is closer to the Carpinteria Chapel. I suppose it could work if they moved the YSA Ward to the institute building (not sure how that would work, not all YSAs are students, and a pass is required to access the parking lot), and maybe if they transfered Montecito to Carpinteria (they were a border-line ward when I was there).Ryan Searcyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03492045549474456000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-47925127565584255822015-09-14T14:34:20.088-06:002015-09-14T14:34:20.088-06:00@Ryan; I'm not in the area anymore but I lived...@Ryan; I'm not in the area anymore but I lived in various cities between Paso Robles & Ventura for about 10 years. My family has roots in the LA area though. <br /><br />I was thinking the exact same thing about the parking lot; a temple at that site would require underground parking, but that's nothing too difficult. I think it would be beautiful if the building were upgraded with design elements similar to the Tijuana temple, the parking underground (perhaps directly below where the current parking is) and some really beatiful grounds created, with maybe a residence for the temple president or something. Displacing the congregations that meet there and accomodating them elsewhere could be tough; I suppose the Spanish branch could meet at the stake center in Goleta, as about half of the active members of the branch live in Goleta anyways. The YSA ward currently at the Stake Center could move their meetings to the institute building in Isla Vista (they held Student ward services there for many years up until ~15 years ago) to decrease the crowding caused by moving the Spanish branch. The Santa Barbara ward would would be up a creek though. Many are from Montecito, so maybe sharing the Carpinteria building wouldn't be too much longer of a drive to church than they currently have (easy for me to say though, since I'm not the one being moved!). <br /><br />L. Chris Jones; here's a picture of the chapel being referenced; <br /><br />https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+barbara+lds+chapel&client=safari&hl=en&prmd=minv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIyYSowq_3xwIViZmICh2t7wWM#imgrc=X39Ku94NUuWYLM%3A<br /><br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00229072571915128162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2786908254617003646.post-10653381556898414342015-09-14T07:27:21.864-06:002015-09-14T07:27:21.864-06:00What does that chappel look like? Does it have a u...What does that chappel look like? Does it have a unique design? In addition to Vernal and Provo city center temples, other temple that were renovated chapels are Manhattan NY, and Copenhagen Denmark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com